[your opinion] Gay rights and marage

my, i think gays should be able to mary, i mean, i was raised by parent who hated eachother, but they thaought they had more rights to mary then a gay couple who loved each other. Im not gay, but i think they should have the same rights as everyone elce. *******MY OPINION DONT HATE ME OR OTHERS FOR IT***********
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  • DJ9090
  • October 13, 2009, 1:51 pm
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    Who gave ANYONE the right to decide if it is right or wrong? If you don't think that gay and lesbian couples should not be wed than don't be a gay or lesbian person. Marriage is an ideology. A personal contract between to people who choose to do so. I don't think this is even constitutional to debate in a legislative forum nor are any laws in existence preventing people from marrying. Sure, talk about it in your churches or among your friends but to be imposing your ideals on to another American's right to liberty through legislation just astounds me. I think as a nation we have much bigger fish to fry with regards to protecting our families and freedoms from an increasingly overbearing and intrusive Government. Let us not tangle up our tools to fight that with more laws that are overbearing and intrusive. I think a great deal of us have forgotten or never learned what America used to and could again stand for.

    It doesn't work for reproduction, but since homosexual feelings have occurred in nature, (humans being a part of nature) they are, for the purpose of this post, natural.
    - CrazyJay October 25, 2010, 1:50 am
    WIN. Finially, someone who other then me doesnt give a damn!
    - rain42 October 25, 2010, 3:20 am
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    I think it is unatural and weird. But if they do love each other they should have every right in the world to do whatever they want in their bedroom and get married. But if they adopt they shouldn't teach their kids that being a homo is the only right way. Nor should a strait couple tell their kids that being a homo is a horible thing. Also I am Christian and I even went to church this morning like almost every Sunday. I just wanted all of you guys to know that so you guys don't think all churchgoers are all pompous homophobics who need to get of their highhorse.

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    Reproduction is a primal instinct, encoded in our DNA and sex is the driving force for reproduction not marriage. Marriage has changed over the course of history and our laws that govern marriage is outdated. It wasn't so long ago that it was illegal to marry someone of a different race. Marriage differs from culture to culture and marriage didn't always mean love. People married as a business arrangement, people married their cousins to ensure that family wealth was kept within the family blood line. So I don't think that marriage is only natural if it produces offspring. What about polygamy? It produces offspring and is a marriage between a man and women. Does that mean that polygamy is natural?

    I think that every person on this earth should have the same rights as anyone else.

    - adduco August 1, 2014, 3:22 am
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    Either that's a combination of insane facts for one of the best conspiracy theories I've ever read in my life, or It made no sense and I didn't understand all the big words. You can pick.

    • Dawn
    • November 23, 2009, 2:04 pm
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    ok simple comment without any followup or support.

    the government shouldn't get to decide who you are allowed to love.

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    I belive gays should be able to date and marry without being discrimnated. But sadly it happens. I mean its not wrong, its two people that love eachother. That's all that matters.

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    Gay people are people too. End of discussion.

    Yay equal rights!!

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    But just to play devil's advocate for Etrov, I do believe that there are some misspoken parts of the Bible. For example the 6th commandant in most versions of the Bible states that a person is forbidden to kill. I believe that it was actually intended by God to say, "Thou shall not murder." There is a difference between killing and murder.

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    i believe that they are people, people can love, people can marry, therefor more power to them.

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    I'd just like to point out, that if it wasn't for the DEVIL giving eve the apple from the tree, we wouldn't even have free will, or choices. Everything would be decided for us. Does that sound good to you?

    Btw, I'm not satanist. Just pointing something out. All I believe in is Heaven.

    • Kojira
    • February 10, 2010, 2:39 pm
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    I believe in equal rights. Therefore I do think gay marriage should be legal. Banning gay marriage is like banning interracial marriage. And we all know that's wrong so why do we do it?

    • mienftw
    • October 13, 2009, 3:01 pm
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    TWO GAY PEOPLE WHO LOVE EACH OTHER MORE THEN TWO STRAIGHT DO PEOPLE HAVE EVERY FREAKING RIGHT TO BE TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm straight but gays are nice and cool.

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    I think they should be allowed to merry anyone they choose, and if to gays want to get married, then what gives us the right to say they can't. If it doesn't have anything to do with you, then mind your own business and let them live their lives the way they want to.

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    I definitely think gay marriage should be legal. Most people use the whole religion reason to deny them, that God doesn't allow it or whatever, but that should NOT be an excuse to keep them from marriage (religion really doesn't hold any weight to me). And people say they shouldn't be given the same rights as heteros because they can't reproduce but in my opinion, them adopting kids is way better (see my reply to AbLaEyXarea). So I do hope some day gay marriage will be legalized.

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    I've been happily engaged to my fiance for six and a half years now, and have an adopted son. And guess what, he brags about his lesbian mommies to his friends! He's keeping up with his grades in school, and working at an Auto Garage part time. So by all means if my fiance and I are screwing up as parents let me know. (As a side note, he also eats his vegetables, and brushes his teeth ^^ But he came that way.)

    • Dawn
    • November 22, 2009, 5:41 pm
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    You spelled Marriage wrong

    • Jozzoh
    • November 22, 2009, 5:49 pm
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    I think people have a right to do whatever they want to, except harming. Loving each other is never harmful. But being straight is only totally right way and there are much evidence of that. Being gay doesn't have that evidence so its not that right, which means it's worse. Being pedophile is worse. Zoophilia is worse. If you fucked a dog and you both liked it, it doesn't mean it's normal and right. Nor is OK for you and a dog to adopt a child and teach him to make love to dogs.(I'm sorry for my rude comparison). You're doing harm, because you're teaching wrong. Everyone who brings this teaching to daylight does harm.

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    Were not homophobic, we just don't believe its the way things should be, I have no problem with gays, I just don't think its right. I think that sounded a little contradictory.....oh well...you just have to have my standpoint to see what im talking about

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    I should add that the Constitution does not protect you from people you simply don't like so stop trying to make it as if it does.

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    I think perhaps some reading is an order.

    Homosexual behavior in animals
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexual_behaviour#Homosexual_behaviour

    1,500 animal species practice homosexuality
    http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

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    Have a standpoint on this, Justin: Your parents came to this country not knowing what they are up against. So many laws and people preventing your parents to do many things. So many people denying equal rights to them. Now I ask you, will you be a hypocrite and do the same? Denying two people who love each other greatly to spend the rest of their lives together?

    • mienftw
    • November 22, 2009, 8:20 pm
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    Sigh.....look, if it doesn't produce offspring, its not natural. I have no problem with the person, I have a problem with the fact that they are gay. Does that make a little more sense? And that's my OPINION. No need to flame me for it. I have very conservative views as you may or may not have noticed.

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    At least they can have sex the right way, and I know someones gonna say like, "Since when is gay sex wrong?" Well the asshole is for taking craps, not having sex. The vagina's sole purpose is sexual activity.

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    Choosing a mate for procreation does not require a marriage certificate. As I've stated before marriage is an ideology not put forth by a god but created by man. It was originally used to protect a family's wealth and /or bloodlines long before any scriptures and "holy" law. That shows that if you were not of wealth an / or "noble" blood (also an ideology created by man that is still practiced today)you likely didn't get married yet you still had children. By your own argument free will should not exist and is the ultimate flaw of human kind.

    People don't become gay because they want to see humanity go extinct. There are plenty of people having children right now if you haven't noticed.

    Somewhat off topic but still relevant...

    If you do some research you will find that there are many forces at work driving people away from procreation. One of them being BPA which is an additive that was put in soft plastics for whatever reason that recent studies have shown creates effeminate male offspring and can create reprodution issues such as erectile dysfunction.

    Study: Boys Engage in “Less Masculine Play” After Prenatal Chemical Exposure
    http://tinyurl.com/yzga8f8

    Studies Link BPA to Erectile Dysfunction
    http://tinyurl.com/yle94ah

    The argument that people are not born gay is beginning to fall apart. It seems to me that they are being engineered that way. To no fault of their own or their parents.

    As for women...
    Homosexuality in women I believe is more of a mystery but they are still women nonetheless and still have (IMO)the ability to nurture and love (as do homosexual males). Woman are also under attack regarding fertility.

    A Vaccine Against Pregnancy?
    http://www.fwhc.org/health/vaccine.htm

    HPV vaccine might cause infertility
    http://tinyurl.com/4y99va

    The HPV Vaccine has Polysorbate 80 which is a compound that is in a vast amount of vaccines and foods including the "new" H1N1 2009 vaccine.

    I am a firm believer that homosexuality is typically rare birth trait in those that have had little to no exposure to modern medicine and or chemicals (pre big pharma era and under developed areas). I also believe that there is a massive depopulation program being used on our species through social, genetic, chemical and pharmaceutical engineering as we speak.

    New Study Links Genetically Engineered Corn to Infertility
    http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_15588.cfm

    I could go on and on and on and on about the population controls being implemented and it's acceleration in the near future but I will hope that this seed I've planted here will spur some of you to do some research of your own and find that I am not a whack-o and there is more evidence beginning to surface that such things are happening. The end result in all of this is that wealth and "nobility" will be your ticket to survival in this world unless something is done by all of us.

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    When did Jesus say it's wrong? Don't put words in his mouth like the church did.

    • Dawn
    • November 23, 2009, 3:18 pm
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    Jesus never said it was wrong. In fact, the New Testament never mentions homosexuality. Less than .001% of the Bible mentions homosexuality. More than that talks about wizardry and killing children. Also, the two/three passages that mention homosexuality are mostly unrelated/mistranslated.

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    1. Sure, it would be completely unnatural for the whole human race to be homosexual. The reason it's unnatural is because it's not found in nature. Homosexuality is found in nature, meaning it is, by definition, natural. Also, who's to say that homosexuality isn't evolutionally beneficial? It was selected for at some point, and with overpopulation how it is, why would we attempt to discriminate against people who don't contribute to the problem? How about letting our orphanages get a little smaller, and making a few cute couples happier? And since when are we against unnatural things? Eyeglasses, air conditioning, cars, medicine....?

    2. Then, by your definition, every straight couple that does not procreate is just as forbidden from marriage. Would you support a law that, upon a year after marriage, if a married couple is not pregnant or with child, the marriage would be terminated? If not, you may wish to redefine your view of marriage.

    Thanks for the acceptance of the apology.

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    When I said that last line I meant why do we band such things when it's so discriminative.

    • mienftw
    • November 23, 2009, 8:26 pm
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    Gotchya mien. My comment was more towards Ertrov, if that's what you were referring to : ). Thanks for the contribution.

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    Last time I checked, this was in the New Testament. Also, Jesus is God, so any command from God in Leviticus is also from Jesus. Not saying all those are still relevant, but something to think about. But it IS in the New Testament.

    Romans 1:26-27 (King James Version)

    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    • Ertrov
    • November 24, 2009, 3:17 pm
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    And all those things are a cause for death. Even eating a fruit you aren't supposed to cursed the entire human race. The point is, we can be forgiven through Christ. But first, you have to recognize that it is a sin.

    • Ertrov
    • November 24, 2009, 8:13 pm
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    It's because a child needs a father figure to show them responsibility, and a mother figure to show them love. Obviously, these will intermingle, but opposite gender parents are important to a child's development. As much as some feminists want total equality in every way, the female mind and the male mind are totally different.

    • Ertrov
    • November 24, 2009, 8:16 pm
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    My God... what's happened to the world?

    • Ertrov
    • November 24, 2009, 9:21 pm
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    I AM A GAY GUY AND HAVE BEEN MARRIED 2 MY PARTNER 4 5 YEARS WE LIVE JUST LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE BUT ON TIME WHEN I WAS COMIN HOME FROM SCHOOL(IM A TEACHER) A GANG STOLE MY PHONE AND BEAT ME UP THEY BROKE MY ARM THEN THEY RANG MY HUSBAND AND SWORE AT HIM AND SAID HORRIBLE THINGS 2 HIM BUT I STAND UP 4 MY RIGHTS AND R PLEASED SO MANY PEOPLE ON SHARENATOR AGREE WITH ME thanku Liam x

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    I don't think gay people should be able to marry each other, it is about as right as cousins marrying cousins or siblings marrying each other. I am a Christian, so i believe what the Bible says about it. I am not going to hate them or discriminate against them I will love them like I do everyone else. This is there choice and at the end of their time they will have to face their judgement.

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    Thank you. It is nice to see that some people read the holy bible. At first I thought you were just ranting. I'm pleased to see that you actually know what your talking about

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    HEY I RECKON EVERYONE PUT +3 FOR MOST CONROVERSIAL POST EVER IT'S AWESOME ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER!!!!!!

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    Well, thats kind of a difficult question, I cant say exactly but I felt that liking a guy was not the right way to go so I'm not gay. And yes, I have actually questions whether I was gay or not....I'm not.

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    Ertrov, does this mean you don't support a single mother raising a child?

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    Well of course. But one must keep that in mind.

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    Oo, I just saw these.

    CTUDirector: I am straight. Thanks for the offer though.

    Ertrov: We are currently having a form of biblical discussion if I'm not mistaken, but I can continue it here as you believe I can't hold my own. Luke 16:17 would disagree with you that the laws no longer apply, "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."

    And over and over I must ask, what is the evidentiary basis for your Christian belief?

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    Etrov just made you fail.

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    The word "homosexual" there is correctly translated into soft. Not homosexual.

    And the most important commandment of all is to love your neighbor as yourself, along with loving God. How is preventing two people a loving union loving??

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    So then your reason for not supporting gay marriage are moot, as you support a similar situation with different constituents. And who is to say only a man can be a father figure, and a woman a mother figure? I think that's quite sexist.

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    In this context, fickle: as in wavering in their fatih.

    No, but that is completely unrelated. There is nothing deleterious to a person regarding homosexual behavior.

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    Since when is God in the clouds? God is in heaven, which yes is above us but not necessarily in the clouds.

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    False Bible verses? Really? You can look them up yourself, Einstein. Next time you want to accuse me of being a liar, make sure I'm not telling the truth, because I am. I've taken courses for Bible study, and do it on a regular basis. I pulled these right out of the Bible.

    • Ertrov
    • December 22, 2009, 2:13 pm
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    Well the big thing i see is that someone being gay is just asking for attention. And don't bitch at me and say but they really love eachother. I agree they do love eachother but think about this, what if everyone was gay? Eventually there would be no more humans and why the hell would any sane human want that. So if the process of equivication is true then gay marriage supports the extinciton of humans.

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    Always. And inexplicably speaking Spanish.

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    nowhere in the human body does it make yoou be gay. Being gay IS a choice. Our main goal in life is to reproduce and keep our species going. So gay is wrong.

    Also i just went along uprating all of entrov's comments. Myself i dont belive in any religion im athiest but everything it says about gays seems right to me.

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    Equal rights... we have equal rights. If you see in our constitution it says that our rights are endowed by our creator, and seeing as we were founded by Christian beliefs, then it's obvious that marriage is between a man and woman. Since our creator endowed us with the privilege of eternal marriage.

    The problem I see with gay marriage is that it is A: unnatural and B:would lead to the extinction of a species. The former has two problems in my mind, being unnatural it goes against a greater design which I believe is God's, and therefore is a sin. God designed us to fulfill the measure of our creation which part of that is to procreate. The initial commandment given to Adam and Eve. Homosexuality defines the initial commandment that God gave us and his entire design of creating a male and female of each species.
    B: Homosexuality would lead to the utter destruction of our world. If we all went gay, there would be no way to reproduce, unless we live in a f-ed up world where we all just extract sperm from gay men and implant that into gay women. If you think we all should go there then you got problems.

    Therefore allowing gay marriage is like saying we are OK with both scenario A and scenario B above, and I with a conscience, cannot.

    • leeish
    • May 11, 2010, 2:25 pm
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    you're right. in the bible, being gay is a sin. BUT it is also said that man should not want or have more than he needs and share excess with his neighbors. no one stops multi millionares from marrying? or, more importantly, no one tells them its un Christian-like to be greedy. I think this is a MUCH more important problem in our society than deciding who can get married.

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    How much about your personality is learned from your parents?

    I don't know how long that gays have been able to adopt, or even the numbers of gays that do, but making homosexuality a generally accepted life style, will lead to more people "trying it out" and more gay couples who are legally married I am sure will lead to easier adoption rules for them and this will lead to more people "learning homosexuality" from their parents. It's not a disease it's a lifestyle choice just like drinking. And like drinking feels good, I guess banging an ass hole or taking it up the ass does as well. Not sure I've never taken it up that way, can't tell ya.

    All I can say is that seeing as homosexuality goes against everything about human nature. Yes, let's all be like ancient Greece and ancient Rome.

    • leeish
    • May 11, 2010, 2:58 pm
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    Wow, you are the only person in the world who inherited nothing from your parents. You put me in my place. Good job.

    • leeish
    • May 11, 2010, 4:45 pm
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    I'm, sorry about that, Logos, I really hope that loser gets kicked off the site.

    • Ertrov
    • May 12, 2010, 3:07 pm
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    No worries : )

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    no they should. your saying they can date but not marry? Your point is seen clearly. But in the eyes of love it has no boundries. It dosnt matter. they should marry if they want too. Getting married has nothing to do with religeon. God or anything but love in that matter. your point is invalid in that case. ;)

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    So yes, I'm saying free will is the ability to choose whether or not to sin. That is one of the most important decisions anyone can make, at any time. If we didn't have that decision, what would be the point in making any other decisions?

    • Kojira
    • May 15, 2010, 3:16 pm
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    I think Ertrov was trying to say we are different from animals because humans have souls and animals don't.

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    Just let people love whoever the fuck they want to love. If you dont like it, then look away. If you like it, then stop staring. Its other people's life, not yours.

    • rain42
    • September 12, 2010, 8:30 am
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    gay marriage

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    gay rights button

    • juniper
    • October 25, 2010, 2:00 am
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    How do they screw the kid's life up, though? (An honest question, I'm not bashing your opinion). I think if gays marry, its actually good because then more kids are adopted and giving a kid a home who needs one is more important than a straight couple reproducing in a world that really doesn't need more children. If that makes sense to people, it does to me.

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    Although I do not agree with you I laughed my ass off at your "If you fucked a dog and you both liked it, it doesn't mean it's normal and right." comment. +1

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    Good for you. My mother-in-law is a lesbian and it would shock some it seems that her daughter would marry a guy and have kids. Lucky me!

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    That was definitely contradictory. What's not right about it?

    Edit due to insensitivity.

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    And Nathan, I believe if its not natural love, its not true love. This is another opinion.

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    Logos, at the top it says don't hate others for their opinion. Calling my opinion 'slightly abhorrent' I consider, 'hating'.

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    There's alot of straight people who have sex and don't concieve a child...

    • mienftw
    • November 22, 2009, 8:36 pm
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    I agree with you on the natural thing. It can't be if it won't make youngins. (sorry, that was the north Carolina coming out in me). But they have every right in the world to be a homo. This is one of by most liberal views. Most if the time i'm conservative.

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    Ok good point with the second site but everyone knows that u can't trust wikipedia.

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    Love is in the brain. Not the body. So our brain saying that we are in love is not natural?

    • mienftw
    • November 22, 2009, 8:41 pm
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    But the second site pretty much validates the Wiki entry. So your point is lost on me.

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    You are completely correct ghettoshen, I apologize, and the post has been edited. Completely my bad and my fault.

    If I may, however, more civil questioning? If not I understand.

    1. If it is unnatural, why has homosexuality been observed in 1500 species?

    2. If marriages are restricted to heterosexuality in your view, does that mean marriages are for the sole purpose of procreation?

    Thanks for continued discourse if you so desire, sorry for the insulting tone of the first reply.

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    Kradon, I once read a comment posted by someone saying you were their favourite sharenator for good comments. Obviously that was a matter of opinion, because that last comment was complete rubbish. Is nature building scysrapers, discovering new technology, and incidentally the most intelligent known life form? No. But if we hadn't done those things, do you think people would be better off?
    Furthermore, if people hadn't decided to be different, and unique, our world would be nowhere near as evolved. This is why I entirely disagree that "if nature isn't doing it, we shouldn't be doing it either".

    Also:
    1. Jojopumkin totally owned your arse with that comment.
    2. Who are you, or anyone with an opinion commenting here, one to decide what's best for someone else?

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    I don't really care what they do.

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    What is it that you don't get about the word 'opinion' is it too big for your little mind to comprehend? No ones deciding anything for anyone he's giving an opinion. And also, he has no problem with them marrying or even with them being gay, he just thinks it's unnatural. In other words, go ahead and be gay, just know that HE doesn't THINK it's natural. Does it make a little more sense now?

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    1. To me it doesn't matter how many species it's documented in, it's still unnatural for this one reason, every animal is programmed to survive and have their species survive also. So let's say the whole human race was gay, we would surely die out. Therefore it is not human or animal nature to be gay it's a concious decision to be different. This also answers th question, "Can you be born gay?" No.

    2. Marriage is for two purposes. The utmost is love. The second is obviously procreation. So you have failed a very important aspect of marriage if you are gay. This also goes for straight people, if you don't concieve a child and you are able to, you have failed a part of marriage and also one of the purposes of your life.

    And yes Logos, I accept your apology.

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    Study the Bible more carefully, friend.

    • Ertrov
    • November 23, 2009, 3:06 pm
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    That isn't animal homosexuality, it's a form of showing dominance.

    • Ertrov
    • November 23, 2009, 3:07 pm
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    Because one is taught by Jesus to be wrong, and the other isn't.

    • Ertrov
    • November 23, 2009, 3:10 pm
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    well, techinically it obviously is "wrong" for 2 males or 2 females to be together, although i dont care, they cant reproduce so by nature it is "WRONG"

    • cosbert
    • November 24, 2009, 7:33 am
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    1. Wow....errmmm I really can't think of anything to say to that...but I feel that it's still wrong.

    2. I never once said that if you are gay then you can't marry. Therefore your argument has been trumped. If you're gay, go ahead and marry, I don't care. I just feel that if you are not procreating, you are missing one of the points of marriage.

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    Which part

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    Also, the following verse refers to what things you have to ask forgiveness for, or be doomed to Hell. So this proves it is a sin.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New American Standard Bible)

    9Or (A)do you not know that the unrighteous will not (B)inherit the kingdom of God? (C)Do not be deceived; (D)neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals,

    10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will (E)inherit the kingdom of God.

    • Ertrov
    • November 24, 2009, 3:22 pm
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    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New American Standard Bible)

    9Or (A)do you not know that the unrighteous will not (B)inherit the kingdom of God? (C)Do not be deceived; (D)neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals,

    10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will (E)inherit the kingdom of God.

    • Ertrov
    • November 24, 2009, 3:22 pm
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    I can say something to that, actually. It's been researched and shown that what appears to be homosexuality in animals is more likely a way of showing dominance. I'm sure you've heard of or seen dog's humping someone's leg. It's the same idea.

    • Ertrov
    • November 24, 2009, 4:56 pm
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    I am for gay marriage... gay people should have every right to marry. If gays truly love each other then let them be married. He are we to stop them from doing want they want, it is not like they are going murder people, just be married so why not let them. They are not harming anyone else by making this decision so no one should be against gay marriage. This is just my opinion. +3 for this great discussion.

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    Ok. First of all, don't bag me, there's no point in that relating to your reply, and on the whole there's already too much of that on sharenator. Next, he didn't once say it was his opinion. Even though he said he "believed" it was unnatural, it was about an objective matter, in other words no opinion can actually be held, there's just true and false. And frankly if he thinks anything nature doesn't do is unnatural, then I'd like him to explain the aforementioned accomplishments of humans, and also homosexuality in animals.

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    First verse: it is called "against nature" because it is straight men leaving the "use" of women and going against their heterosexual nature. Sex for pleasure not love.

    Second verse:The "homosexuals" referred to is correctly translated into "soft." The word homosexual did not exist until very recently.

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    Also, other things forbidden by the Bible:

    Disrespecting your father and mother (cause for a death sentence).
    A woman fornicating (cause for a death sentence).
    A woman being raped and failing to scream loud enough (cause for a death sentence).
    Practicing witchcraft (cause for a death sentence)
    Boiling a goat in its mothers milk. (Cause for damnation).

    Need more I can give them.

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    Now there's nothing more to say....I need another controversial topic...by the way Logos, I think its very fun arguing with you, you talk like a civilized person, not an idiot. (im not saying anyone in this post talks like an idiot, I just don't feel like bantering with you)

    P. S. Were you a former Christian?

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    Even then, the argument is flawed. Animal instincts are totally different from humans. They don't think, fell emotion or fear, build, or talk. This is because humans are not animals. We were created in the image of God. And if you don't agree with that absolute truth, we have nothing to debate, because it all depends on whether you agree with the Bible.

    • Ertrov
    • November 24, 2009, 8:20 pm
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    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New American Standard Bible)

    9Or (A)do you not know that the unrighteous will not (B)inherit the kingdom of God? (C)Do not be deceived; (D)neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals,

    10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will (E)inherit the kingdom of God.

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    • November 24, 2009, 8:21 pm
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    P.S. Don't try to say "Well then all these people are going to Hell." The point is that these are all sins, and the unrighteous, who have not been forgiven, will go to Hell. But if they ask for forgiveness, and accept Jesus' gift, they will be saved.

    • Ertrov
    • November 24, 2009, 8:24 pm
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    Ertrov, I am not disagreeing with you on the fact that being gay is wrong but since when do animals not think? That makes no sense whatsoever. The only thing animals do not have that we so is a soul and a no soul does not mean you cannot think.

    And no, Logos does not agree completely with the Bible if at all. You will not convince him with anything religion related, I've already tried. This is why you don't see me trying to say, "God made it this way."

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    If you're referring to holy law as in the bible, holy laws have been set in place since the beginning of time, it was only later that they were written down. This is only if you are referring to the bible.

    Since when did I say gays wanted to see the human race go extinct?

    It doesn't exactly matter if some people don't want more people born.

    Until you find me a gay gene I will not believe that people are born gay.

    I know gay people that are not pre pharma and are in very developed areas, I don't even know where you got that argument.

    And maybe there is some conspiracy going on but what does that have to do with anything?

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    Ghettoshen, you would be correct. In multiple ways:

    I will not be persuaded by unproven biblical "truth." If Ertrov wishes to use that, I cordially invite him to start a thread on the veracity of the Bible. I will post politely and will certainly enjoy myself : ).

    Also, I was formerly a (very devout) Christian.

    And yes, animals do think, have emotion, fear, and even use tools. Chimpanzees can communicate through sign language.

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    I will now stop responding to these Biblical discussions unless you wish to continue them. I will be happy to, but in another place. Another thread, just point me to it. Any other medium? Let me know, and I will be happy to engage : ).

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    I thought so, I knew you wouldn't have made matter of fact statements about the bible without having previously extensively studied it.

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    I appreciate that vote of confidence. It means a lot : ).

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    What do you mean?

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    woah bongo went a bit off track there and pmsl that was realy funny +1 on ur comment

    • stewiz
    • November 25, 2009, 11:54 am
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    logos so ur saying that homosexuals dont feel love and the way i see it god made us god created us if there is a god (no1 knows) he makes us the way we are its not like u wake up one morning and decide u want cock instead of ur wife and i dont belive its a choice either its just who you are and btw i am hetrosxual.... i wonder how many people miss read that last bit

    • stewiz
    • November 25, 2009, 11:58 am
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    alot of people forget that alot of things we own eat have are not produced by nature for example ur computer screen but you dont complain and accuse it for being against nature. another example medisons oprations there against nature but if you needed a kidney would you give a fuck

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    • November 25, 2009, 12:04 pm
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    i ont see what that has to do with this to be honest

    • stewiz
    • November 25, 2009, 12:10 pm
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    so...wait... is there actually anyone apposed to it then?
    so what's the problem?

    • Tiggy
    • November 25, 2009, 12:19 pm
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    To make it simple, I do believe that two people have the right, gay or straight, to marry and love as they please. I myself do not believe in marriage. However it is not my right to hold back those who do.

    Yes, there are variations of the bible that do state is one way or another that homosexuality is bad and should not be recognized. And also that marriage between them is banned. Sure, I can see that. And if you think that, then think it! But I do believe you should let them go be them and do what they want. I was raised christian, and no long subscribe to any religion for various reasons which don't belong on this thread. I do however believe, that as a church, under the ideals that you preach, read and live by you do have the right to not accept marriages for gays absolutely. Who am I to tell you how to run your religion. But the STATE should have no baring on this, church and state should be separate. If the 10 commandments have to be removed from the court house lawn, then you should not allow the bible as a court defence or offence. Period. Law is not governed nor looked upon by religion.

    Short Answer: Yes, I think gays and lesbians have the right to be joined in any way they please. And I believe that churchs have the right based on their ideals to not allow it. So go find a side of the christian population or a church that allows it... have a nice day.

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    Question Brad. Would you acknowledge a gay's right to have a document stating they are paired and share responsibilities to each other? Civil Union. I support that your ideals say no marriage, but marriage is based on the church. Civil Unions are based on law, which is apart from the church. Would you not agree?

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    Question Ghettoshen. If sexuality is a choice... when did you choose to be straight?

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    Thank you! You emphasised my point of where the human race would be if it were'nt for change, unnatural inventions and habits, and trying new things. As you said, seeing as we shouldn't do "unnatural" things, should we just revert to cavemen?
    Also, it seems many people on this post don't seem to realise that "unnatural" is the negative verb of "nature", as they keep saying that homosexuality is unnatural, even though it has been posted many times now that there are over 1500 species, species of nature, if you will, that practise it.

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    That's your choice, but I think it's because you have no good response.

    • Ertrov
    • November 26, 2009, 9:13 pm
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    Thank you, I'm glad to see someone interested in legitimate debate, rather than the typical internet screaming match.

    • Ertrov
    • November 26, 2009, 9:14 pm
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    True

    • Ertrov
    • November 26, 2009, 9:17 pm
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    Well, I'm sorry you have so little hope. I can't imagine living that way.

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    • November 26, 2009, 9:17 pm
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    Thank you for clarifying that point. I hate to see so many people think that just because a person is a sinner they will go to hell. Anyone can be saved.

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    Exactly. Well, unless you start getting into "the elect" theories, but then it gets really complex.

    • Ertrov
    • December 20, 2009, 5:03 pm
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    Yes, I agree, there are mistranslations. But I believe those to be the mistake of man, not God.

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    • December 20, 2009, 5:04 pm
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    "That isn't animal homosexuality, it's a form of showing dominance."

    So, if a human male had sex with another human male, just to, "show dominance," you wouldn't call it homosexual??

    ....What?

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    Agreed

    • Ertrov
    • December 20, 2009, 7:44 pm
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    Please don't make stupid comments like this. They make you lose credibility for the more intelligent ones you made earlier. I consider you a good debater, don't ruin that.

    • Ertrov
    • December 20, 2009, 7:46 pm
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    Again, I can't reply so I'll edit this. The sin nature that causes both the urge to steal and the desire of homosexuality is the same.

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    • December 20, 2009, 7:48 pm
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    First of all, turn off your caps lock. Secondly, it is wrong what that gang did. I don't agree with your lifestyle, but please don't think we are all that hateful. (by the way, is your picture from Doctor Who? I love that show!)

    • Ertrov
    • December 20, 2009, 7:52 pm
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    That was my original post in this discussion, before I was expecting a debate. I was just asserting my base opinion. A "simple comment," as you triumphed just a few minutes ago : ). You can ignore this and focus on the others.

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    It isn't, for no one is claiming that stealing is a genetic trait. The question in discussion is whether sexual orientation is a conscious decision. I pointed out that every straight person I know is straight because they were born that way, not because they chose to be so. Just like every gay person I know.

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    Touche, old foe. :) I can see where you are coming from, not expecting a debate. But the other simple comment made a good point. This one seemed a tad silly. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, though.

    • Ertrov
    • December 20, 2009, 8:15 pm
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    So you're good with gay couples adopting children?

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    did you get all of your false bible verses from wikipedia, or something?

    • cary139
    • December 22, 2009, 1:24 pm
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    What? No. How did you possibly twist my comment to suggest that I said that? For some reason I can't reply to your post, so I'll edit this one. I said IF NO OTHER OPTION IS AVAILABLE. They have the option to be straight.

    • Ertrov
    • December 22, 2009, 2:14 pm
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    Yes, I am suggesting that we should obey an all-powerful being. If no other reason than common sense and survival instinct. Thank you Ghettoshen, for clarifying the concept of where he is.

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    • December 22, 2009, 2:18 pm
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    Because you are ok with children being raised by single parents. Adding another financial supporter into the mix surely shouldn't disallow their ability to adopt?

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    I basically agree. I do not agree with gay marridge but it's not really going to hurt anybody. But if they choose to adopt kids they should be unbiast and not tell their kids that they need to be gay. They should leave both options open to them and. And not pressure them one way or another.

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    But they shouldn't tell the kid that one way is better than the other

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    AWESOME! Agreed. Although I don't believe Ertrov to be of that opinion : ).

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    If you can't decide, wheres the gay gene? Your parents were not gay, their parents were not gay, their grandparents were not gay so on and so on. Where does gay come in?

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    Ghettoshen: something being "hereditary" and something being "genetic" are two very different, yet related things.

    Something being hereditary means that it is passed on through parental lineage... i.e. hair color, eye color, height, etc.

    Something being genetic simply means that it lies somewhere in the genetic makeup. In this case, the gay gene is not hereditary, but genetic. Do you understand the difference?

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    I suppose, but if it is not hereditary why are people gay?

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    Because it is essentially randomized at birth, with probability leaning about 90% towards heterosexuality. This is obviously a simplified explanation, but the more complicated would take.... far too long for this medium. It's just like other essentially randomized genetic things.... downs syndrome as an example. It's not necessarily passed down from the parents, but it is in the genetic makeup.

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    So kind of like a mutation?

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    In a way.... but not quite. It's a perfectly normal, non-deleterious thing, if that's what you were getting at...

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    The majority of these responses against gay rights have to do with religion or homophobia.

    1. There's nothing wrong with being gay. I respect your religion, but when people use it to fuel and justify their own biased, and hateful opinions is wrong.

    2. Gay men are NOT going to rape you. I doubt women are attracted to you. What the fuck makes you think a man wants you?

    • mienftw
    • February 9, 2010, 7:27 pm
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    Another thing: If you are a minority and are against gay rights, that's hypocritical. You want equality for your own group of people and yet, don't want it for another. Every day, you recite the pledge of allegiance.

    "With liberty and justice for all."

    If you call yourself an American, you have to live up to that.

    • mienftw
    • February 9, 2010, 7:31 pm
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    Amen, sir.

    I just hope the Cali. trial pulls through.

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    If not, the governor is gonna be stabbed.

    • mienftw
    • February 10, 2010, 1:18 pm
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    I think the governator can defend himself : P.

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    He'll be back.

    • mienftw
    • February 11, 2010, 1:36 pm
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    I certainly will tell my children what I think is right and wrong. If I believe heterosexuality is better than homosexuality (and I do), that's what I'll teach my kid. Parents have a responsibility to teach their children right and wrong. And they also have every right to do so.

    • Ertrov
    • May 11, 2010, 2:34 pm
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    Adam and Eve had free will. They could do whatever they wanted except eat one type of fruit. Is that so horrible? The key is, they were spared from wanting to sin. If you really think the ability to sin is freedom, you need to re-evaluate your idea of free will.

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    • May 11, 2010, 2:36 pm
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    The basis for my belief in Christianity is a mixture of faith, archeological evidence, scientific evidence, and personal accounts.

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    • May 11, 2010, 2:40 pm
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    No, I don't hate people who are gay or anything, I have gay friends. I just disagree with what they are doing.

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    • May 11, 2010, 2:40 pm
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    I'm happy to see that you have logically thought this through, unlike many bible toting "Christians". The problem is, that however our country may have been founded on Christian beliefs, they are the same basic principals of every major religion. I also know the extinction of our species is NOT going to be a result of gay and lesbian couples being married, but by the effects of over population and pollution. You make a valid arguement, but you're wrong in my opinion. Even Christians are supposed to love thy neighbors, and if you can't love their life styles that's your own problem.

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    Also, being gay is not contagious. lol it's not some disease that is going to spread and "turn everyone gay"
    It was normal in ancient Greece and Rome, and obviously the human race hasn't had any problems growing since then, and we aren't all gay.

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    The difference is, we aren't animals. We don't need to do things like that to "show dominance"

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    • May 11, 2010, 2:50 pm
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    Just depends on where you believe those rights come from as to what those rights are.

    • leeish
    • May 11, 2010, 2:59 pm
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    Thou shalt multiply and replenish the earth. - Commandment that is impossible to follow if your a fag.

    • leeish
    • May 11, 2010, 3:00 pm
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    Logos I did not look those up, but I believe that most if not all of those are from the Old Testament when the people were living a lesser law because they were too wicked to live the higher law. Moses and his people pretty much sucked and couldn't handle anything. Christ came and provided the higher law and ended the shedding of blood for sacrifice and things like that and allowed for repentance in a more personal way.

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    well you see, in my personal situation, i am nothing like my parents. or should i say moms? My mom has a girlfriend who has been in my life since I was two, so i've not really learned anything else. However, I am a girl who is attracted to guys, and I've never thought about trying being with a girl. For most people being gay is not a learned behavior, but something they have felt their whole lives. Yes, if it was allowed i'm sure there would be more experimenting, and people would be more open, but I personally don't have a problem with that.

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    Bottom line: if God says it's wrong, it's wrong, no matter how much sense it makes to us.

    • Ertrov
    • May 11, 2010, 3:44 pm
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    Countless human beings feel the need to show dominance. Are you really going to deny that?

    And we ARE animals, through simple taxonomic classification, originally by a creationist, in fact.

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    So you "disagree" with part of themselves?

    What if I were to disagree with my friend Sloan being black? I don't think he would take that too well, eh?

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    What archeological evidence?

    What scientific evidence?

    And personal accounts are unscientific completely. And there are plenty of personal accounts of every other religion as well. Why not listen to those?

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    They do, yet I would say that teaching your children bigotry would be the mark of a misguided individual.

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    Can you support that biblically? See above, when I mention Luke 16:17.

    And so... God compromises? What?

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    I'm not twisting Ertrov's words, I'm enacting dialectic in order to flesh out his opinions and show why I believe them to be in conflict with themselves and reality.

    First of all, that word is horrifyingly offensive, please stop using it. Secondly, The illusion of a defined father and mother figure is the same kind of illusion as that of the white picket fence family. It is perceived that only a family with a father, mother, and 2.5 kids can function correctly. This has been refuted many times by experiment, and is simply not the reality of the situation.

    Yes, men exist to propagate a species (I would disagree that God created them), yet propagation of species is not the only concern of evolution, society, and history.

    I am quite far from an ignorant bitch, and would appreciate no further ad hominem arguments.

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    Read the verse just before that, "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." The law being the law of Moses was to be had until John being John the Baptist when he prepared the way for the Lord meaning Jesus Christ. Christ brought the higher law, which here could also be called the kingdom of God. The entire sermon on the mount was Jesus referencing the older law and then giving us the higher law.

    And example is this: Matt 5:21-22
    Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    He's not really saying that the old law is no longer valid, but that there is a higher law that we are to live by and the punishments seem to be in most cases more spiritual rather than physical or immediate. The new supersedes the old. Personal repentance through your own actions, change, and broken heart and contrite spirit take the place of the sacrifice at the alter.

    • leeish
    • May 11, 2010, 7:21 pm
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    That's not bigotry at all. If I told my kids to hate gay people, that would be bigotry. The fact that homosexuality is a sin is merely teaching my children values I believe are important, because I believe in God.

    • Ertrov
    • May 12, 2010, 2:59 pm
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    That's completely different. This isn't a part of their body they can't help, it's a lifestyle. And before you say "no, they're permanently gay" there are many straight, happy, formerly gay people who've gotten therapy for it. If I my friend gets addicted to drugs, should I not disagree with that part of his life?

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    • May 12, 2010, 3:03 pm
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    I didn't deny that, I meant that we don't go around humping each other, because we have dignity as humans. And whether the 'official' classification says we're animals, we still aren't. That creationist was a human, and was wrong. Who isn't wrong is God, who said we are made in His image, and clearly separates us from animals in the Bible. So please, don't state an opinion that a lot of people disagree with as fact.

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    • May 12, 2010, 3:10 pm
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    The few "formerly gay" people are, in every case I have seen, faking it. If it were possible to change, why wouldn't millions of others who have been rebuked, hurt, and even killed change to straight? The logic just simply makes no sense.

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    And I would respectfully disagree, and think that classifying a group of people as "sinners" because of an inborne trait is, in fact, bigotry.

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    We are all sinners, but that is beside the point. It is not an inborne trait. Many researchers agree it is caused by events in early childhood. Look at it this way. Say a man is a thief, so he raises his son up to be the same, never telling his son that stealing is wrong. Now, if his son steals, it's still a sin, whether the boy knows it or not. It's the same with homosexuality.

    • Ertrov
    • May 13, 2010, 3:40 pm
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    I never said it was easy to change. But it's the same with a drug addict. It's incredibly hard to quit, so they'll go to any measure to keep taking drugs, and even when they recover, they'll still have strong urges to do drugs again. Just because something feels right, doesn't make it right.

    • Ertrov
    • May 13, 2010, 3:43 pm
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    I'm sorry, but the addiction analogy does not apply here. We are speaking of deep love, not obsessive addiction.

    Try again.

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    What researchers agree on this? Do you have any sources?

    All I have seen are in agreement that homosexuality is either positively inborn or almost positively inborn.

    See Scirus's search: "Homosexuality Genetic"

    And the NGLTF statement on the NIH study on Homosexuality Genetics. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/scotts/bulgarians/nih-ngltf.html

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    Just as I have every right to tell the Christians who show up at my house at 8:00 in the morning to go shove a parking meter up their ass. Yes, you can talk about your faith, but don't annoy others by pushing your beliefs on them.

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    I don't see it exactly the same as ertrov. We are all born sinners and everyone has their vices. I have a hard time with lust. Just like homosexuals I need to work on overcoming that desire of mine.

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    Actually, in a lot homosexual cases, they can go through up to 200 or so partners a year. So it is an addiction to homosexual sex. It's really blunt, but it's true that most homosexuals are in it for the sex, whether they'll admit it or not. Now, I'm not saying that in some cases, it's not what they think is love, and may be love expressed in the wrong way, I'm just saying for the most part, that's not the case. And no analogy is perfect, that one just represents the part of the homosexual population that's in it for the sex.

    • Ertrov
    • May 16, 2010, 4:25 pm
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    Upon further consideration, the point of animals and homosexuality is moot, and I apologize. But it is moot for a different reason. Humans are NOT animals. Again, I must say, this is an opinion still highly debated, especially among Christian circles. Now, I'm willing to admit, this is our belief, and you might not share that, so I only ask you to have the same courtesy in not treating your theory as fact. As Jofus said, animals don't have souls, humans do. Animals aren't made in the image of God, humans are. Therefore, as defined by a Christian worldview, we are not animals.

    • Ertrov
    • May 16, 2010, 4:33 pm
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    Pushing your beliefs on others doesn't do anything other than aggravate them. You see Ertrov, it's people like you who give christians a bad name. I have met a small handful of christians who respect other people's beliefs. You on the other hand are a part of the majority who feel that it is their god given duty to shove their religion down the throat of everyone you meet.

    Until you learn to respect the beliefs of others, you shouldn't be talking about religion at all.

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    I'm just surprised nobody has started quoting leviticus. unless they have and I'm just too lazy to check.

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    if no one is being harmed let them live their life. one can read the bible and get just about any message they want out of it. the message i take with me is
    judge not least you be judged yourself
    we are all sinners and according to the bible no since is better or worse. its not our place to judge the gays, but Jesus did teach it is our place to love our neighbor.

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    As defined by scientific fact, the only definition of "Fact" that really holds argumentative weight, we are animals.

    Sure, you may say that within your specific Christian framework, you prefer to differentiate between humans and other animals. However, within the scientific framework, the fact still stands. I simply always employ the scientific argument/worldview, as I am somewhat close to an empiricist myself.

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    i dont care if they are gay as long as they keep what they do to them selves i couldnt care very much

    • BEASTY
    • September 12, 2010, 5:26 am
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    If you're gay then ok you're gay and if you want to get married then fuck get married I have no problem with it just follow the same rules as everyone else and plus this could solve the adoption issue.

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    The way I see it, marriage is nothing but a title. It's not important, to me at least. Yes, I WOULD like to go get married one day, but marriage is nothing but a title to say, "Yeah, I love this person." to everyone else.
    No, marriage isn't that important, but it's not right in the slightest bit to keep people from marrying each other. Blind acceptance is hard to find anymore. The way I see it, anyone should be able to marry anyone, and sex is just an unimportant factor to that.
    Honestly, I think people who are homosexual are people who are the next step in evolution, because they can't reproduce with each other, and therefore, stopping reproduction...which I have no complaints about. Humans suck.
    Butbut, back to the topic. Gay marraige is just like regular marriage, it's two people who love each other, and it's two people who want to be together forever. I don't have a problem seeing two guys kissing, or being in love. I don't have a problem with two girls kissing, or being in love. People are people.
    Whoever believes otherwise should pull the stick out of their ass.

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    I have three things to say about this:
    1. Who says every gay couple love each other? If gays could marry, don't you think a lot of them would end up just like straight couples? The only reason there are no statistics on this is because all gays have to do now is just break up. There's really no paperwork.
    2. I think that if the majority of the people don't mind if gays marry, then the laws should reflect that, whether on a State level or on a national level.
    3. I think the fundamental issue isn't a moral issue. I think the very base issue is whether or not marriage is a right or a privilege. If it is a privilege, then it should should be given or denied based on popular vote. If it is a right, however, it should not be denied, however, if it is a right, then we cannot as a fair nation deny family members the same right, which we obviously do.
    4. Okay, so I had one more. I think people try to push their own morality on other people too much. I choose to believe what I want to believe because I have that right, but everyone else has that right too, and if I want my beliefs respected, I should respect others' beliefs as well.

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    Marriage is nothing to do with the church, it was around 100's of years before Christ was even born, and it will carry on after the church is just remembered as a hotspot for homophobia because at the moment, thats what it is, there are a number of christians, who are lovely people, they treat everyone nicely, they don't care about sexuality or all that shit, they care about the person, nothing else, then there are a bunch of retarded fuckwits, who think that because they believe in God, means that they are better than everyone else. If your only against gays because of a belief that they are unnatural and therefore bad, that means that: Doctors, hospitals, houses, banks, money, canned food, processed meat, football, rugby, basketball, tattoos, computers, tv's, clothes, Xbox, PS3, Chocolate and basically everything else in this world is bad. Ertrov, if you have such a faith that its the next life that matters not this one, then you might as well go top yourself and go live in heaven or whatever. If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all merciful, then how come Gays even exist? surely if God hated gays then he would just wipe us all from existance, so either god doesnt know we exist in which case he is not all knowing, he doesnt have the power to destroy us, in which case he is not all powerful, or he doesn't really care. The bible was written by a bunch of power fanatics generations after the death of Jesus, there were hundreds of gospels, but the only ones the church selected, were the ones that tied in with there own ambitions. The man who basicaly unified rome under the banner of Christianity, did it not because of belief, but because he could see it was popular and wanted to avoid civil war, in fact, he was the high priest of Sol Invictus, and remained so until his death when he was forcibly baptised. Your all following the words of a moral code, from over 2000 years ago, written by a bunch of prejudiced, racist, homophobic and sexist scum. The church has no right at all, to tell people who they can and cannot love. And obviously the church cannot even say ANYTHING about Gays considering that so many MALE catholic priests have been sexually abusing MALE children.

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    I believe that gays should have the right to marry, but I also believe that itis unnatural. You won't go to a zoo and find guy monkeys having sex. My point is that if nature isn't doing it, we shouldn't be doing it either.

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    no way its ok if they fuck but its so unnatural for them to marry and if they adopt they fuck that kids life up(my opinion)nothing against gays though

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    GOD WHY ARE THERE SO MANY HOMOPHOBIC ASSHOLES ON HERE?!

    • mienftw
    • November 22, 2009, 7:10 pm
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    Well....I think hes trying to say that if it doesn't produce offspring, its not natural.

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    Kradon666 said "My point is that if nature isn't doing it, we shouldn't be doing it either."

    I'm pretty sure that was the point. I think it was the "My point is" part that helped me in my decision to decipher it as such.

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    They can do what they want. I don't actually agree with marriage as a whole. It's outdated, if you want to be together then be together, but i've seen so so many married people who don't love each other anymore (if they did to begin with) and i ask why they're together, it's because they're married, and that to me is ridiculous. Spending your life with someone should be a choice, not an obligation.

    • Dannyl
    • November 23, 2009, 12:45 am
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    i think gays should be allowed to be together, but sometimes they creep me out.

    • wolfman
    • November 23, 2009, 8:57 am
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    I think this is a great debate here and I am seeing many comments but where is the love for the sharenator that started this post? +3

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    I believe that gay people have the same rights as us. i also believe that letting gay people marry will not have a significant impact on haters lives, so quit bitchin' 'bout it. and i also know that humans are a fluke. this may be hard for some people to believe, but the world has and is currently belonging to the microscopic. the microscopic make up for over 80 percent of all biomass. and they do not have genders or races, and certainly do not discriminate.
    i have all my information from bill bryson's book, A Short History of Nearly Everything.

    • cary139
    • November 23, 2009, 2:58 pm
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    My opinion on this doesn't matter. What matters is God's. The Bible, including the New Testament says that homosexuality is wrong. It also says if they don't ask God to forgive them for it, they will go to Hell. His words, not mine. So take it up with God if you don't like it. But because He created all, he makes the rules.

    • Ertrov
    • November 23, 2009, 3:04 pm
    I can't believe I used to be such a dumbass....
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    Yeah but i'm not gonna judge them. Unfortunatly we are not going to change their sexuality. It also says in the bible to be kind so I'm not going to bash them. I do think it is wrong but god gave us free will and I can't change that. I appreciate your post. Itbmakes an amazing point

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    Romans 1:26-27 (King James Version)

    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    • Ertrov
    • November 24, 2009, 3:19 pm
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    1. Then I suspect some of your position is borne from internal prejudice.
    2. If gays can marry, then you aren't against gay marriage? Cool, thanks.

    Ertrov: Yes, that is very true. Some homosexual behavior observed in the Animal Kingdom is caused by a pursuit for dominance in a pack. This is well-documented. However, homosexual sex in the animal kingdom where dominance does not seem to be involved is also well documented. Both occur, and both are very real, validating my argument.

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    Can you please show me where the new testament mentions homosexuality? I don't think such a passage exists...

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    And this is just one of multiple passages.

    • Ertrov
    • November 24, 2009, 8:22 pm
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    I don't care if someone is gay or not. As long as your not trying to be gay towards me I have no problem with you.

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    The Law of God is higher than the law of man.

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    • November 26, 2009, 9:20 pm
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    And you don't think having a father figure is important? I feel sorry for your "son" later on in life.

    • Ertrov
    • December 20, 2009, 5:15 pm
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    I support it if there is no other option available. (my opinions on divorce aside) But I do believe that there will be some issues with having no father figure in that situation as well.

    • Ertrov
    • December 20, 2009, 7:42 pm
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    cosbert, you do make a good point. I think it's good to have a more simple comment like that every once in a while, to bring us back down to earth.

    • Ertrov
    • December 20, 2009, 7:43 pm
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    Those aren't my only reasons, and they aren't moot because I said if no other option is available. And that is NOT sexist. The mind of a man and the mind of a woman are very different. That's scientific fact. If I had said that one was superior to the other, that would be sexist. There is nothing wrong with men and women being different.

    • Ertrov
    • December 20, 2009, 8:13 pm
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    so the law of an etheral giant that lives in the clouds (we as man have been above the clouds, and found nothing more than emptyness)
    and makes things happen is more than man

    • cary139
    • December 22, 2009, 1:30 pm
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    Well, homosexuality isn't a choice. So it's really impossible to "force" a child to "choose" homosexuality.

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    I don't know of any couple who would. But of course I agree. One sexuality isn't superior to the other. Both are simply base ways of life. Just like no race is superior to another.

    So yes. : ).

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    Easy, WHAT THE HELL CAUSED PEOPLE TO BE AGAINST EACH OTHER FOR BEING GAY?

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    I think everyone just makes too big a deal out of the bible on this topic... I mean honestly boiled down the bible is a lesson in morality and virtue. A tool used to help pass down the rights and wrongs of society... So I feel as if gay rights are perfectly normal in a modern day society.. That's just me though

    • DocSir
    • December 30, 2009, 2:11 pm
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    Lesbians are awesome (as long as they're not fat and ugly).

    And they're here, they're queer deal with it.

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    Actually, we have every right to talk about our faith in public. If you don't like that, I'm sorry you're so biased and angry.

    • Ertrov
    • May 13, 2010, 3:47 pm
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    IT is a freaking fact. Whether or not your religious views somehow oppose the definitive fact that human beings ARE animals, that has no bearing on the fact itself.

    Humans are mammalian animals- Primates, specifically. We aren't fungal, mineral, etc... we are animals.

    "We don't go around humping eachother, because we have dignity as humans." I will use an example very close to my life, as my prom was last night. Guys pay upwards of $1,000. They then expect sex (not myself, but many do as I'm sure you will not disagree with). They then get sex. Quite often. Tons of people "go around humping each other" all of the time.

    Either way, your original point about the homosexuality seen in other animal species is moot.

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    Although I do disagree with Christians who are annoying like that, I do believe we should push our beliefs because it matters eternally.

    • Ertrov
    • May 16, 2010, 4:35 pm
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    Just let people love whoever the fuck they want to love. If you dont like it, then look away. If you like it, then stop staring. Its other people's life, not yours.

    • rain42
    • September 12, 2010, 8:30 am
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    No gays
    Nuff said

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    And what else do you think soft means in that context? Also, it's love because it's tough love. If your best friend is on drugs, is trying to get him to stop unloving?

    • Ertrov
    • December 20, 2009, 7:50 pm
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    Who gives two flying shits what 2 consenting people who love each other do with their lives? Leave them alone people. Keep your faith private, where it belongs.

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    Why the fuck would a woman be a father figure. Thats called a dike dumb ass. God created men for a reason, not dikes you ignorant bitch, quit twisting Ertrov's words.

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    no they shouldnt be able to be married becasue it is realgious but the partner ship are fine

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    Actually, plenty of Christians, including myself, think that having millions of dollars is being greedy, and is a sin. Give some of that excess money to people who need it.
    Edit: if you want to downrate me go ahead, but at least have the dignity to respond to my comment.
    Edit again: or, you know, just keep downrating it, that's cool too, I guess.

    • Ertrov
    • May 11, 2010, 3:38 pm
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