what are your veiws?

My veiws are. Im pro-gun, pro-choice, I am in favor of the war in Iraq because we are doin a great thing over there, and I think that we need to give money to the people instead of the companies so that we can improve the economy

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    *sigh*... Here we go again...

    For those of you against the war, you all fail to realize one important detail. WE SIGNED UP FOR THIS. Last I checked, there was no draft, and every single person over there signed the contract. Every person in the military knows that we are at war. We all know that sooner or later we'll be going over there. I'll actually be heading to afghanistan soon too.

    For someone to say that "we are wasting the lives of young men and women", its pretty ballsy since they don't know what its even like to step into combat boots and wear the flak vests and kevlar helmets and carry the rifles. We all chose this way of life. Why? Because of civilians who are too afraid to do what we do.

    We do what we do because no one can. No one chooses to. And I can vouch for every Marine, male and female, that I know. If a civilian walks up and starts ranting about us being over there in Iraq or Afghanistan being a "waste of life", then they will gladly punch that person in the face because they don't know what the hell they're talking about.

    So for those of you who think its a waste of life and that we should fix our own problems before fixing the problems of others, then I highly suggest you fix yourself before a pissed off service member fixes it for you.

    Sorry for my little rant... That is all
    -PFC Conboy, USMC

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    I'm pro-choice for abortions and not pro-guns, why do you all insist on those horrible weapons? I, and the majority of the civilised world, will never understand. I hate the two wars that have been declared as i feel for the countries people who have been invaded but it could well be a necessity, i'm not a god and i know i can't change things or offer a perfect alternative. I also believe everyone should have the same healthcare that is free for whoever needs it and i agree with socialism to a certain extent, nobody should be on the street to die in the cold.

    • Dannyl
    • January 11, 2010, 1:38 am
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    Three words SUPPORT THE TROOPS my brother is in afganistan and from his letters and emails its hell over there but the job is getting done and on top of that look what we did in iraq we gave them freedom that most of them have never had before. and Wrap bring um home safe and good luck.

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    Ok so let me get this straight...

    Say you were an Iraqi. You're telling me that you would rather have a sadistic Dictator (aka Saddam) ruling over you. A dictator that gassed his own people with chemical weapons. A dictator that rules his nation with fear. A dictator that kills ANYONE who he thinks is against him. A dictator who's both sons are so fucking sadistic, they rape and torture innocent people.

    That sounds like an amazing life. Tell ya what, you should've lived there back in the 90s. I'm sure a fine member of society like yourself would've LOVED to live back there with torture and fear in your life.

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    I'm really tired of having this debate. I honestly don't see a point in why we are still actually over there, but until we leave, I will ALWAYS give 100% support to the troops. Every time we have this debate I always say this, "If I could join the military, I'd do it in a heartbeat." Like Wrapped said, they signed up to do it, it is their choice, let them make it. As for the draft, you still have to sign up for it in case they need to bring it around again, but as of right now, it is non-existent. I'm really tired of the news and media always pointing out the bad things that a few rotten eggs of the military are doing in Iraq. They don't matter. What matters is the fact that people die there everyday and all most Americans can do is say, "Anyone who joins the military is an idiot." And yes, it is cowardice to be disrespectful of the military when you have no idea what the military does, and you have no desire to actually go to a recruiter and sign up. Wrapped, good luck in Iraq.

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    Also we aren't at war with Iraq. We are at war with crazed jihadists that are in their country.

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    On the abortion issue, I don't think anyone agrees hat a woman can never have an abortion. If that is the only way she can live of course she should have an abortion. But becuase she was too irrisponsable to keep her legs together is no reason an innocent child should never have the chance to live.

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    Also aren't most people who are in poverty there becuase of thier own bad decisions.

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    Ok....i just noticed that someone just went through and down-rated almost every comment, not just mine, on this thread. What the hell?

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    Sorry about that once again. And yeah... stem cells, at this point, can be manufactured by regressing from adult cells. Usually abortions don't have much to do with it : ).

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    I can't respect your "anti-gun" position, Dannyl, while you still insist it's ok to murder innocent babies. But according to you, killing grown men is far worse. And no healthcare is free. Taxes, my friend.

    • Ertrov
    • January 17, 2010, 8:18 pm
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    Of course. Don't worry I won't be shipping out for a long time. I haven't decided it yet but I might go to college first. The soonest I could ship would be around march. Bootcamp is very full right now. My recruiter even said that there are no infantry jobs open right now.

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    Are you saying that if the pregnacy is going to kill the mother than she should die?

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    Exactly. So each individual situation can be settled by the participants. Because neither of us can be sure about every situation.

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    It's not the murder of innocent babies. Unless, of course, miscarriages are divine infanticide?

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    Right lets just let the terrorist groups who killed 3000 people go so they can do it again. Pro-choice helps stem cell research (I mean they are getting aborted anyway its not like we are killing healthy babies that could live fulfilling lives kinda sad though) and Pro-guns for what i think are obvious reasons.

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    Here we go again...

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    Thank you devin. I have said that on previous posts and didn't feel like saying it again. And we can't just leave. We have to make sure we finish the job first.

    Pro-life and pro-guns.

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    ok can we get off the war on terror thing now please and here some other political veiws or at least have another debate about something else

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    You started this debate....

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    War: I am for it. Why? Because I know it is inevitable. If you think there will ever be a single day in the history of the world without war, well...you are just plain stupid. We are humans with a primative nature to stand on top. We also want everyone to be just like us. Therefore, we have extremist. There will always be extremist on each end of the spectrum to cause another war. So I say to you Anti-War people: Stop your bitching, lace up your boots, grab a rifle, and kick some ass. If not, you will end up being the one getting your ass kicked.

    Pro-Choice Vs. Pro-Life: I am very much against abortions. You give me any argument you want and I will counter it with a valid reason as to why you are dumb for thinking that. Nearly 4,000 babies are aborted daily. If a woman is murdered and is 6 weeks pregnant it is considered double homicide, if you have an abortion at 6 months it is just a medical choice.

    I have other views as well, if you want to know more just ask.

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    yeah but still i want to see something new cuz the debate got old

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    your statistics are good. and your right about the double homocide thing but the aborted unborn can go to medical research. but if abortion is murder then miscariage is manslaughter. but please do post your other veiws

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    Ok, you want to talk Afghanistan? Lets talk Afghanistan. We are at war against the TALIBAN. A religious extremist group who is proven to harbor Osama Bin Laden. We came for him. They want to fight us? Well, then we'll fight back and win.

    You make it seem like we're there just mowing down civilians in droves over there. Maybe if you actually open your eyes, then you will see that we are actually HELPING the country. They DO want us there. Why? Because I'm sure the fact that we're giving them new schools, new roads, and electricity in their nation is something they very much appreciate.

    And if you want proof, I remember seeing quite a few articles, front page even, on how we are helping Afghanistan out, but progress is being delayed because of the attacks on US Soldiers. If I recall correctly its in American liberal's favorite magazine, TIME.

    And if you actually think we're just attacking an entire freaking country because of the Taliban, then you are sadly misinformed. All we have attacked are extremists and insurgents over there.

    If you think its bad that we're killing extremists who were born to hate americans, then maybe you should strap on some boots, grab a rifle, and go on a few patrols in Afghanistan. When your patrol or convoy gets hit with machine gun fire and an IED, and you see fellow Marines die, lets see you put down your rifle and feel sorry for the extremist who just pumped a few 7.62 rounds in your buddy next to you. Then come back and talk to my father (who has been in that shit before, and is going again in Feburary) and a thousand other Marines who have been there.

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    I'll leave all of the war stuff out of this for now.

    Abortion: I am pro-choice. This is because I personally can't say that one rule applies to every single situation that could occur. If the life of a mother can be saved through an abortion? Go for it. I honestly just don't have the gall to say I know every situation backwards and forwards. Do you?

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    hell no i dont have the gall either. all i know is that abortions help stem cell work and it can help alot of people.

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    Abortions don't really help stem cell work... I'm confused by that.

    But, either way, yes, thanks for the vote of agreement. : ). And your point about miscarriages is one of my favorites. Well said!

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    well is the abortion happens at an early time it can i guess i'm just going with what my health teacher said but that might be why im taking her class for the 3rd time lol

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    I'm sorry, I couldn't quite discern the meaning of your last post. Can you re-phrase or re-type that?

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    @Logo i what i was trying to say was that if the obortion happens early enough it can help stem cell stuff then i went on about how my imformation might be off because i was going on what my health teacher said and then i said that it might be why i am taking her class over again for the 3rd time. im a senior in highschool and i took the class for the first time when i was a sophmore.

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    wrapped in bacon i agree totally.. and when i get the chance im heading straight for the military but prolly not looking for marines..

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    @Jofus, its not just the womans fault that it happened it could be that the guy she opened up to didn't wrap or it might be the condom companie's fault for a faulty product. and if it is still in the womb its basically an organism living off it's host its kindda like parcitism in some ways. warped/twisted - yeah, true - kindda, logical - sorta.

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    But do you don't HAVE to have sex. Its not like your life depends on it Everyone know that sometimes condoms fail so when you have sex with a condom you know that there is a possibility that it will break. You shouldn't have sex unless you are willing to deal with the consequences. If a girl becomes pregnant just wait 9 months and put it up for adoption if you can't take care of it.

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    Sorry didn't mean to post this.

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    Maybe I'll see you over there someday devin. I'm gonna enlist.

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    ok what you say is true but in this economy no one wants to have kids or even adopt so an abortion is like a way of secure (politically correct word for eradication here). so why dont we just make every guy get snipped a vasectomy is reversable now and you do have to have sex because it is a primal need. and i have a question for you, do you think abortion should be conisered murder.

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    It's not a need though becuase you will survive without it. But with guys getting snipped, how would we pay for that. Also I do consider abortion murder. But if abortion is to be legal than killing a pregnant woman shouldn't be a double homicide.

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    well if abortion is murder then by your logic miscarrage is manslaughter

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    yes but what is your point?

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    its asinine because miscarrage is out of the mothers control most of the time so if you're going to charge a mother with murder over an abortion then your going to have to charge them with manslaughter if they have a misscarrage. and i have a scenarrio for you, say you have a stroke and your arms and legs are paralyzed and after 5 years you find out that stem cells can give you your arms and legs back so would you do it or would you rather live the rest your life as a cripple?

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    Sorry I misspoke.
    Manslaughter and a miscaridge are similar but not exactly the same. While a miscaridge is completly out of the mothers control, manslaughter is not. Also what was your second point in relation to this?

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    Congrats, Jofus! Take a computer to stay in the debates, lol.

    • Ertrov
    • January 17, 2010, 8:15 pm
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    +1 for patriotism. It's far too rare.

    • Ertrov
    • January 17, 2010, 8:15 pm
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    Probably some noob who got ticked off

    • Ertrov
    • January 17, 2010, 8:16 pm
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    I fail to see how the life of the mother outweighs the life of her unborn child. I don't have the gall to say we can decide that kind of thing.

    • Ertrov
    • January 17, 2010, 8:20 pm
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    I.. agree with Logos. Abortions don't help Stem Cell Research.

    • Ertrov
    • January 17, 2010, 8:21 pm
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    Actually, they many times could be healthy if not aborted, and adult stem cells show more results than embryonic. That whole argument is put forth by the media to make abortion seem less cruel and more necessary.

    • Ertrov
    • January 17, 2010, 8:25 pm
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    I'm a member of the Colbert Nation.

    • Ertrov
    • January 17, 2010, 8:25 pm
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    I wish I could enlist, but between health problems and the fact that my girl would kill me, it won't happen.

    • Ertrov
    • January 17, 2010, 8:27 pm
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    idk really i guess it was to see what your reaction would be

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    ha ha i think you guys just proved a point of mine that public school systems suck and as of now im done with the abortion debate for i am fighting on 3 fronts and i have lost.

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    Ok the abortion debate is over please do not make me feel like a moron anymore for the love of god have mercy im running low on booze. lol

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    wait what branch are you thinking of going cuz if its the army i dont think that benning is full but i might be wrong its been a few months since ive been there.

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    ok new topic how about guns or gun control cuz ive seen spots of posts about it but it never evolved past that ha ha and dannyl and ertrov you guys are against guns i know that so lets see what happens

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    Hey you did put up a good fight. I wouldn't call it a loss. More like an enlightenment.

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    im a communist

    captainrussia - what are your veiws?

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    He's saying that if you say a miscarriage is not manslaughter, yet an abortion is murder, you have a double standard and need to revise your take on the situation.

    Or at least I think so.

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    I disagree. Even if she probably won't survive, she should put her child before herself. I know it sounds sexist to say this because men don't face the samething, but I always hear parents say they would die for their children. If this is true, why should this paternal sense of sacrifice only occur after the child is born? It is still a human being.

    • Ertrov
    • January 18, 2010, 9:00 pm
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    No, they are a sign that it is a cursed and fallen world.

    • Ertrov
    • January 18, 2010, 9:01 pm
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    I'm saying that seems to be the morally right choice for her to make. I'm not saying we should force the mother to die, I'm just saying that as a mother, it would be the right choice for her to make to save her child. But as I also said, this is where the line becomes too grey to be sure, so it's difficult to say that my opinionis right with absolut certainty. For instance. I know many people who love their children enough to die for them. Would they not do the same for their children before they are born?

    • Ertrov
    • January 18, 2010, 9:06 pm
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    No I was just stating the double standard that a woman can get an abortion but if she were to schedule an abortion and get murdered the morning before her appointment the murderer would be charged with a double homicde. If abortion is going to be legal than killing a pregnant woman should only be a single
    homicide. It drives me crazy how women who get abortions are not ridiculed at all. Sometimes even praised for what they did because it was the mature or responsable thing to do but if someone is to murder a pregnant woman that person is a baby killer.

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    I agree with you ertrov. But I think this would be the only case where abortion should be legal.

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    Amen ertrov. +1 wish it could be more

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    Just join the air force or be a coastie. I'm joining the Marine Corp.

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    The point at which it adopts human being status is completely debatable. And I find what you just said to fall under many people's choice label for the "pro-choice" position: Anti-woman.

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    So, since humans sin, God kills babies in the womb?

    How does that make any sense??

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    The only case? What if a woman is raped, gets pregnant, has AIDS, drinks often while pregnant, and has no possible way of supporting or feeding a child, yet proclaims that she will never give it up?

    Is that a situation in which abortion would be allowed?

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    Women who get abortions are often ridiculed beyond belief... Ostracized, frowned upon, yelled at, even fired in some cases from their only means of employment. It is a damn tough decision to make.

    And the reason for the double homicide label (which only exists in some cases) is that it allows murderers to be charged more severely, often utilized to show whatever district adopts the standard that the current leaders are "tough on crime." Also, this almost always only applies when the baby is in the third trimester, a stage in which it can survive outside of the womb/independently, a stage in which often abortions are not allowed.

    It is not a double standard, it is simply a legal device to allow legislators to appear tough, and for bias districts to attempt to restrict abortion rights through political manipulation. No district that I know of truly considers a fetus a person (because then miscarriage would be manslaughter).

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    I can't respect your "religious" position, Ertrov, while you insist that when a life is saved, it is by God's hand, yet when a life is taken, it is the mark of a fallen world. Does God guide events or not? Can he save unborn children? If he can and does not, how is he good? If he cannot and does not, what else can he not do? Is he then not God? He can create the Universe, and with it death, but when a miscarriage occurs it's suddenly not his fault?

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    good for you buddy .....

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    To you last point I would have to disagree.

    Manslaughter: The unlawful killing of a human being without malice or premeditation. ex. killing another person in a car accident.

    Killing a person in a car accident and having an abortion are not the same. Car accidents are due to human error. But a miscarriage is completely out of the mother's control.



    But before we get into another heated debate lets move this to my abortion thread. This one is kind of getting overcrowded anyways.

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    I think abortion is a sin but God gave us something called free will so if we choose to sin we can all we want.

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    Yep good for you move to north Korea.

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    @triclebickle: This shit will end in disaster, and you are to blame. thank you for resurrecting this horse that has been beaten to death to many times to count.

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    I do think guns should be allowed, licensed and for self-defence, I am pro-choice, and I don't think the war in Iraq should be going on.

    • Bekenel
    • January 23, 2010, 1:12 am
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    what are you talking about?

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    holy wow either i'm trippin balls or you just said destroy all guns and if your saying get rid of um then maybe you should go into the battlefeild with a slingshot and see how long you last

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    ok i just made frankenhorse someone should write a book about it

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    ok new topic time are you a democrat or a rebublican lol

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    Raped...No
    AIDS....Maybe
    Drinks..Maybe
    No possible support....Adoption. If she wont give it up...IDK. Thats a tough position. But we do have social services.

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    Most of the time I don't agree with you on debate posts but I would give you +10 if I could.

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    Get the troops out of there. There is no reason that we should even be over there. We are wasting the lives of young men and women. Focus on fixing whats over here before helping others. Pro-choice for abortions and Pro-guns.

    • mienftw
    • January 10, 2010, 6:39 pm
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    What about the people on the other side of this war? Don't tell me all the people you fight day to day are terrorists. Tell me, if a group of Americans bombed a building in Russia and Russia declared war on America would you stand up and fight the invaders? Of course you would. I understand things need to be done but this war is not a good thing. And no i don't have an alternative suggestion but that doesn't make this one morally correct.

    • Dannyl
    • January 11, 2010, 1:35 am
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    When did i say that? You avoided my point completely. The people you are fighting are not all terrorists, they are defending their country and their people from what many of them see as an invasion. At no poimy did i even mention iraq or saddam. the scenario i mentioned was more in reference to the war in afghanistan, where a few attacked america, america attacked them and a lot of people in afghanistan, who previously had done nothing to america, have decided to fight back from what they see as an invasion. Exactly what many americans would do if the table was turned. Am i wrong?

    • Dannyl
    • January 13, 2010, 9:47 am
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