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now that's the knid of chat I'm talking about! I like you Logos385, I like you a lot.

the liquid the bird and the pirch are all stationary. Everything, including the camera filming in rotates around these objects. The programme on TV was filmed rotating, as suckots suggested. That's my guess anyway!

I agree, religious values are important. I myself could probably lend my values to many different religions as the core ways in which each religion preaches basically boils down to 'be good to yourself and others and you'll get along fine'. if you wish to believe that a 'creator' devised theres moral standards then great, good luck to you. But, as Logos discussed earlier, inflicting these beliefs in the classroom can have detrimental affects on education. Creationists would have us believe the world is a mere 3000 years old. There is evidence concluding this is not the case. Ok, this is a minor example but unfortunatley it goes on - teachers are holding back on teaching fact in case they offend the religion of the pupil.

Logos, here's a topic for debate (i'm sidelining the fact and theory issue as I think it could get...lengthy!):

We have 'evolved' as a species to over come illness with the use of medication. However, does this not get in the way of evolutions key tool; survival of the fittest? Medication is the product of an evolved intelligence but have we slowed down physical evolution as a result? Somthing to ponder, I would be interested to hear your views

If plants didn't breathe in CO2 and we didn't breathe in O2 then we would have evolved into a completely different being, or, at the very least, our breathing apparatus would have evolved differently. They didn't just happen like that, perfectly balanced to bounce off and use one another. We evolved to take advantage of the oxygen rich atmosphere, an atmosphere largely a result of the already existing plant life. The proof is there, this makes it a FACT not a theory (it cannot be both).

With regards to the human body: it's not perfect. The closest 'part' to being perfect is the eye, an organ replicated in almost exactly the same way over a number of species as evolution so very nearly got it right. But even that is not 100% (eg, the blind spot). Appart from minor imperfections like this, how do you explain away the appendix, an organ that we no longer use and is infact larger in rabbits than us due to our lack of dependance on it over the years. Equally, we no longer require wisdom teeth and yet they continue to give many of us a huge amount of pain. Our body is not perfect, infact it is continuing to evolve.

The map deffinatley caused a chuckle!

I fell off a boat once and I've been here ever since

'Uh, close the gate please, there's a good chav'

bloomin' marvelous, thanks!

Great way to kill time, thanks!