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War Plan Red was a plan for America to make war with Britain. It was created in the 1920s, approved by the Secretary of War in May 1930 and then later officially withdrawn in 1939 at the beginning of World War 2.

For more information see the link below, i just thought you all might find this interesting, i did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

  • Dannyl
  • December 22, 2009, 1:38 am
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    OMG what were they thinking?! Basically if Germany hadn't invaded Poland and started World War 2, America would have invaded Britain and started World War 2... Fools

    Very interesting post, had no idea that ever happened. I'm from UK, anybody here from US - is this taught in your history? Just curious.

    • dongman
    • December 22, 2009, 1:49 am
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    Americans...

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    I'd considered it, but i believe it.

    I didn't post these because they're kinda long but feel free to look at one of the documents. Detailing information on Crimson (Canadian) forces, economy, etc. It then states estimates for Red (UK) reinforcements and how to counter them, etc.

    In August 1935, the US held its largest peacetime military manoeuvres in history, with 36,000 troops converging at the Canadian border south of Ottawa, and another 15,000 held in reserve in Pennsylvania.

    http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html

    • Dannyl
    • February 22, 2010, 1:48 am
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    Canada was part of the British Empire until early 1930s.
    The idea was that the US would invade Canada and gain control of key points, then maintain a defensive position in the war until British forces came in to reinforce and then they would fight the war in Canada. Obviously it was a bit more complex than that but that's the basic jist.

    • Dannyl
    • February 22, 2010, 7:16 am
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    There was a little war going on at the time, Japan and England were on opposing sides.

    • Dannyl
    • February 22, 2010, 7:40 am
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    • Dannyl
    • February 22, 2010, 9:33 am
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    Another contingency war plan they developed was the RED-ORANGE PLAN, which hypothesized a two-theater war, seeking to win first in the Atlantic, against England, while fighting a holding battle in the Pacific, and then defeating Japan. When World War Two broke out, military and naval planners simply dusted off the old RED-ORANGE PLAN and substituted Germany for England

    • Dannyl
    • December 22, 2009, 1:41 am
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    nope... never heard it before now.

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    do you know how wikipedia works? you can put anything on it. i could upload a page that says floor tiles cause cancer. i doesnt make it true

    • benjc95
    • December 22, 2009, 11:55 am
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    look it up elsewhere

    • Dannyl
    • December 22, 2009, 12:36 pm
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    floor tiles don't cause cancer?!?!
    I CAN GO TO THE BATHROOM NOW AND NOT HAVE TO WEAR MY HAZARDOUS ENVIROMENT SUIT
    YAY

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    That plan looks stupid as hell. I'm assuming it's either fake or a massive hypothetical.

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    It was a hypothetical war in the sense that it never took place, but it was planned and approved. Then scheduled to take place, and then cancelled with the outbreak of the second World War.

    • Dannyl
    • February 22, 2010, 12:17 am
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    Ever considered this might be BS? i mean sure, they might have planned that, but america and the U.K had a pretty good relationship.

    • Goober
    • February 22, 2010, 1:26 am
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    So was this a plan to invade Canada, then destroy British reinforcements when sent, then go on to take Britain, or just to take Canada, or just to weaken the British so that they were the dominant world force?

    Cos frankly if it was just to take Canada we probably wouldn't of given a fuck. :P

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    I'm really not sure why all my comments are being downrated about this. Sneaky people maybe put an argument forth?

    • Dannyl
    • February 22, 2010, 7:17 am
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    Yeah I know that but was the final goal to just take Canada, or then to go on to Britain?

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    why would america be scared of the british empire and british aliances, its not like we had much of the orginal empire left anyway? and sorry i forgot america are practically 20 times the size of us, im not saying america were stupid for thinking of this plan , but its typical of america to think of a war they didnt need to start in the first place, still is this article even real?

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    plus if this article is real surely the americans wouldve invaded or attacked england when japan attacked pearl harbour? seeing as that was the reason they was planning to invade england anyway?

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    plus plus, why would america be scared of japan they werent any threat to america, neither was the british empire?, also america didnt believe of invasion , they believe in isolation which is basically leave other countries to fight and we'll grow stronger and not get involved in the mean time

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    btw ive given this post +3 for the awesome debate were about to have :D

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    American wasn't as dominant in those days as it is now. Britain still had a lot of it's empire, and the largest naval force.

    Also, learn to use the edit button instead of posting a thousand different times.

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    soz gee , i suppose we could have had the radar system by the time america wanted to attack us (someone research that) and our naval force and awesome raf wouldve given america a run for its money

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    I don't know if it's true or not but it is interesting. However America didn't like fighting then. They wanted to stay out of the way. I still like it though

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    wow, very interesting.

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    But surely the american people would have been agianst this attack. There's no way the gov't would have gotten away with it. Canada and the US would have had good relations at the time, especially since both countries fought on the same side in the first world war. This also doesn't make sense, because back then, america prefered to aviod international conflicts (the main reason why the US didn't join the league of nations after ww1)

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    big countries always have plans of attack on other countries. thats why after ww2 before the cold war started the brits were thinking the US was going to be the next threat. nothing ever came of it but plans were made. it never hurts to plan.

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    But I have to wonder why Canada would be a threat. The commonwealth and the US were allies in the 1st world war, it doesn't make alot of sense to me that America would try and provoke not only an ally, but one that could probably beat them at the time (The US was not the military force back then that it is today, and the british had the strongest Navy in the world at the time.) Not only that, but america would have been seen as the evil invading country, it could have provoked other countries like France agianst it as well. Canada wouldn't have been worth the effort and the trouble.

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    let me put it to you another way. we have plans and so does the uk for just about anything you can think of. thats all it was, a brainstorming session where plans were laid out incase words ever needed to backed up with action. plans that all it was. all major countries have plan for just about anything.

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    An intelligent country has a war plan against every other country in the world. I am sure we have a plan for Canada, just in case they ever attack.

    It would be dumb to leave yourself open to the unexpected.

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    I uprated you where you were downrated to level it out.

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