The Crowd-Sourced Debate Post: Week 2 [Abortion]

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Week 2!

TOPIC: Abortion

While this may not be currently in the news too much, there have been many, many more restrictions on abortion practices across the US in the past couple of years, much to some people's disappointment- and to others' approval. So: what's your opinion? Is abortion a legitimate medical practice? Or, is abortion the murder of an unborn child?

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    This is a good question! I believe that abortion is murder. At the same time, it gets tricky because I do understand that if a woman is to get raped, then she wouldn't want the reminder of it in the form of a child.

    Why do you believe that abortion is murder?
    - Logos385 January 8, 2013, 7:28 pm
    to me, if it's alive inside you, then killing it is murder, you know?
    - had5244888 January 8, 2013, 11:26 pm
    Gotcha: so you think a zygote is a person? Does personhood begin at conception?

    Is this a religious issue for you or separate from any religious leanings?
    - Logos385 January 9, 2013, 2:26 am
    Well religion plays a little bit of it, but that is my opinion. It's kind of like if someone kills a lady who is pregnant, it's a double homicide, no matter how far along she is. When it comes to this though, it does get tricky. I won't go around saying that it should be illegal, I just don't agree with it. It's not my place to condemn people when I'm not perfect. I understand that if a woman gets raped then she doesn't want to be reminded of that event by something that she is supposed to love.
    - had5244888 January 9, 2013, 11:49 am
    So you personally aren't a fan of abortion, yet don't want it to be illegal, and understand the plight and rights of women in tough situations.

    This is "pro-choice," sir.
    - Logos385 January 9, 2013, 12:20 pm
    I'm against it. I'm just not gonna tell someone what to do. If they were to ask me to vote on it, I'd vote against it. I'm one of those people who see both sides to every story. I have my opinions, but understand the opinions of others.
    - had5244888 January 9, 2013, 2:59 pm
    So you are in favor of abortion being illegal after all? Is there a reason you think life begins at conception- which is what I'm getting from you?
    - Logos385 January 9, 2013, 8:15 pm
    Just how I've looked at it. Eventually it will be a human. I'm not for abortion. I'm against it. If I was told to vote, I would vote against it. but at the same time, I'm not one to run around telling people that they are horrible if hey have one. That's their decision. I don't tell people what to do.
    - had5244888 January 10, 2013, 12:08 am
    Is ejaculate a human being as well?

    And I'm confused by your viewpoint. You think having an abortion is a decision that each woman should make. However, you support legislation to deny women that same decision?
    - Logos385 January 10, 2013, 12:27 am
    I was just sayin that I don't try to push my viewpoints on others. I'm not like most Christians haha. And in my opinion no it is not. I think it becomes a future human once the zygote implants and begins to live inside the mother's womb.
    - had5244888 January 10, 2013, 12:48 am
    Ok, do you don't go around proselytizing anti-abortion legislation, but you are for it.

    What makes the implantation of the zygote equivalent to the inception of life?
    - Logos385 January 10, 2013, 1:01 am
    To me, as it is implanted and begins to live inside the mother, it becomes a human.
    - had5244888 January 10, 2013, 1:59 am
    Ok- so implantation to you is crossing the border into humanity.

    Then what about miscarriages? Is that murder-by-god of an unborn child? Or simply infantile suicide?
    - Logos385 January 10, 2013, 11:02 am
    well miscarriage is unfortunate. I don't know why they happen, and I'm not sure the reason the Lord does what he does sometimes. But you gotta keep moving forward.
    - had5244888 January 10, 2013, 1:04 pm
    If they are just unfortunate, why aren't abortions just unfortunate, and similarly acceptable? Does god not sometimes work through people?
    - Logos385 January 10, 2013, 3:25 pm
    Well my interpretation is that people have free will. so things like suicide, murder, and abortion are trying to be God.
    - had5244888 January 10, 2013, 6:09 pm
    But can you say with certainty that, in the case of abortion, God isn't working through the abortion doctor? How do you know it isn't God's will for a woman to have the abortion?
    - Logos385 January 10, 2013, 10:07 pm
    I don't know how the Lord works, and I really don't plan on getting into it. I'm not for abortion. That's just how I feel bro
    - had5244888 January 10, 2013, 10:24 pm
    So you can't be sure that god is against abortion. Yet, you think that your personal feeling is enough to make life-altering decisions for every woman in America?
    - Logos385 January 11, 2013, 12:18 am
    The fuck dude? I put my opinion up. I never said that I'm going out to change America. All I said was that I wasn't for it. I don't condemn others for it. Never had and never will. But I appreciate that.
    - had5244888 January 11, 2013, 12:40 am
    And let me explain that now that it isn't 1 in the morning lol. First I apologize for the language, I don't know if i offended someone or not, but if I did then sorry. Second, I am against abortion, yes, but I don't go around talking bad about those who have had them. It's not in my nature to try to control people based on my views. I worry about making myself better as a person first. If someone asked me if they should have an abortion, I would say it was up to them, but my advice would be to really think about it first.
    - had5244888 January 11, 2013, 11:03 am
    First of all, this is explicitly a debate post- expect to be challenged on your views if you post here.

    Secondly, when you said you aren't "for" abortion, I assumed that meant you were "Pro-Life," I.e. for anti-abortion legislation. Is this incorrect? If you truly believe abortion is a decision left to each individual, then you are under the "Pro-Choice" umbrella.
    - Logos385 January 11, 2013, 11:30 am
    First, I was in a pissy mood for other reasons last night and should waited til this morning to comment back. I do apologize for being any kind of disrespectful.
    Second, I am not for abortion. That is my stand on it. Like I said before, I won't go around bashing other people for it, but I am not for it.
    - had5244888 January 11, 2013, 2:07 pm
    No worries, absolutely no offense was taken : ).

    Would you vote in favor of anti-abortion legislation?
    - Logos385 January 11, 2013, 3:31 pm
    If they had a vote for it, then yes I would vote for the anti-abortion stuff
    - had5244888 January 12, 2013, 5:51 pm
    So now we are back to the issue: where you think that your own personal opinion should override the opinions of all women that the legislation would affect.
    - Logos385 January 13, 2013, 2:26 am
    Well, like I said before, I believe that abortion is murder. So it would be more like voting if I believed in women killing their unborn children.
    Like I said though, I know it gets tricky because of the rape victims. I know that they don't want a child to remind them of a horrible experience like that. But I do have to stand by what I believe in.
    - had5244888 January 13, 2013, 9:35 am
    Yes, you believe that abortion is murder. Others don't. Should your opinion override theirs?
    - Logos385 January 21, 2013, 2:20 pm
    It's just my opinion. If someone else thinks differently than I do, then that's all them.
    - had5244888 January 21, 2013, 2:23 pm
    That opinion you just expressed doesn't line up with your view to legislate away their choice. That is my point. Also, someone has decided that +1 isn't OK with them. If the crowd could help out, that'd be awesome.
    - Logos385 January 21, 2013, 3:33 pm
    haha I guess someone enjoys your views a lot. I tried to get them back down to +1 as much as I could. And I just expressed my opinion. If someone asked me to vote for it then I would be against it.
    - had5244888 January 21, 2013, 7:21 pm
    Be against allowing people to have a choice in the matter, right?

    And when I made that last post, your posts were uprated and mine down X D. I think some viewers overcorrected. Haha.
    - Logos385 January 22, 2013, 12:19 am
    Haha I have problems with it sometimes. It can be pretty difficult to control the points. Maybe we can get it to where posts can have a maximum/minimum points per comment on it.

    And I'm against it. If asked to vote then I have to vote against it. Otherwise I'd be a hypocrite.

    And
    - had5244888 January 22, 2013, 12:36 am
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    PERSONAL OPINION - I'd say yes, it is a legitimate medical practice. On the other hand, that embryo is on its way to becoming a human like you or me. Murder is the wrong word for abortion, though. I don't care whether a single cell is considered living or not. When that cell is removed or killed or whatever, that is one less child that could be on Earth. Abortion is very confusing to me as a Catholic. It can a helpful alternative for many people, but some people do it simply because they can. Maybe instead of getting pregnant with a baby you don't want... you should just not get pregnant. Of course that brings in the rape argument. I simply don't know enough about rape statistics to argue this. I try to stay away from abortion. I'm not against it or for it. I don't condone it, but i'm not going to harass or judge you for getting one.

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    Well, I'm a guy and I don't really think we have much say in the matter, but I say abortion is necessary. I don't consider a fertilized egg a human, much the same as I don't consider a kidney a human. I think many pro-lifers are confused as to what a human actually is, and it isn't a zygote. Thus, I don't think it is murder.

    A kidney will not grow into a new life form, but the fertilized egg will. That fertilized egg will become a human. Sure a sperm cell isn't a human. And an egg isn't a human. But put them together and you are now in the process of forming a baby.
    - beanertroll January 7, 2013, 4:23 pm
    By their same reasoning, is a sperm a human? Does jerking off make me a mass murderer? XD

    I think the point they try to make is life begins at conception, but sperm are alive before they fertalize an egg.
    - CrazyJay January 7, 2013, 4:26 pm
    I don't see how you can say an Egg or Sperm cell isn't human, but a zygote is. Is it merely because a zygote will turn into a baby? If so, what if I told you you can get a baby from 2 egg cells (no sperm or male cells involved)?

    Yes, a zygote is part of the process of forming a baby, but so are egg and sperm cells. And actually, you can form life from diploid cells.
    - casper667 January 7, 2013, 6:18 pm
    because a man having intercourse with a woman is going to result with 2 eggs or 2 sperm cells, right? no.
    - beanertroll January 7, 2013, 6:28 pm
    So that is the only time when disposing of fertilized eggs is bad? When they are naturally occurring from intercourse?
    - casper667 January 7, 2013, 6:33 pm
    I don't see how it could work any other way. If pregnancy wasn't natural than it was most likely intentional, therefore removal of the fertilized egg shouldn't be necessary.
    - beanertroll January 7, 2013, 6:56 pm
    As part of IVF, many left over fertilized eggs go unused and are destroyed.
    - casper667 January 7, 2013, 7:20 pm
    Yes, you make Mao, Stalin, and Hitler look like absolute amateurs. In your life time thus far you have probably killed the entire population of the world at least 2 times over. You should be ashamed *wagging finger judgmentally*.
    - triclebickle January 8, 2013, 4:50 am
    I want to uprate your and triclebickles comments so much
    - buddyfoeva January 9, 2013, 8:59 pm
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    While this is an issue many find controversial, I'm unphased. I have absolutely no issue with abortion for several reasons. The first of which being that I'm male. I can't get pregnant so I don't think I have any business telling a woman what she should do with her body. The second reason being depending on how early the abortion takes place, the embryo is incapable of thought or function. Some will argue that it is still human and has rights, but how can undifferentiated stem cells have the same rights as an infant, let alone a woman? Especially when it preforms little to none of the same functions.

    Of course, there's the issue of rape. In this case, I'll ask this: Would anyone here look a 14 year old rape victim in the eye and tell her she's a murderer if she terminates the pregnancy? I for one will pity the victim a hell of a lot more than I will an embryo. Even if it's not rape, we all make mistakes. I don't advocate using abortion as birth control (There are much better methods) but accidental pregnancies ruin lives, and in some cases, terminating the pregnancy is preferable to raising a kid alone on minimum wage. (Something I've yet to see a catholic priest do. Once some of them have, I'll be happy to hear the church's stance on abortion.)

    I go to a Catholic school and we talk a lot about the church's stance on certain issues. Like abortion.... they don't really care if you have an abortion. The church will not prosecute you. Crazy religious nuts will. The church just doesn't want to pay taxes on abortion if they aren't the ones getting abortions. Just like the church doesn't really care about homosexuality. Marriage + sacrament between man + woman. they don't care if two people of the same gender are together. They just don't want MARRIAGE. they don't care if they are legally bound. The church will just pray for these people. the church is not out to get everyone that doesn't see things the same way as them. i'm sorry to say that many of the rumors are true about catholic people... but it is not the church that teaches them to behave as such. People make the church out to be this big evil thing that wants you to drop everything and praise jesus. a lot of the things about the church on this site are just false.. but if i went through everything i saw that was false i'd be typing for a while. sorry there wasn't anything about abortion here, but i just wanted to let people know that not everything you here about the church is true
    - beanertroll January 7, 2013, 4:39 pm
    Well, churches are tax exempt in many countries. (Like the US and Canada.) Their money doesn't go toward anything. That being said I don't think they're evil and my issues with cathlolicism stem from it's leaders/vatican rather than the average school/perish. (Hell, I used to be catholic.) My point was that a lot of people who are anti-abortion have probably never had to raise a unwanted baby, with no help and barely any money. You could easily swap catholic priest with republican congressman if desired. Now, if you're talking about the individual paying taxes that cover abortion, well, there's a lot of things my taxes cover that I don't approve of in Canada like the war in Afghanistan, defunct submarines from the UK, F35 Jets. Those cost the government much more than abortion does. Especially if you have private insurance.
    - CrazyJay January 7, 2013, 4:54 pm
    Well the church's money doesn't go toward taxes, but the money of the people of the church does. And I agree with you. Most of us will go through life not knowing the pain that many have felt/feel. The church's response would be to give birth and put the child up for adoption. the church, whether people like it or not, is there to help anyone that asks. The church could help the mother and the child. And I'm not talking about the church just praying for them. The church will actually support them with food and shelter and other basic needs.
    - beanertroll January 7, 2013, 5:03 pm
    I actually added a bit about individual tax payers on my previous comment. But that aside, supporting the mother and child is commendable however most perishes would have somewhat limited resources. (Since priests rely on donations and don't take a salary.) There's also non-catholics or christians, who aren't likely to go to the catholic church for help in the first place. (Though I would hope other religious denominations would offer similar services.) You can't help them all unless gov't steps in.
    - CrazyJay January 7, 2013, 5:16 pm
    The points I've been trying to make is that the church surely isn't as bad as it is made out to be on the internet and that the embryo would be born into another person, like you or me, if it was not aborted.
    - beanertroll January 7, 2013, 6:32 pm
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    I say giver her the choice, though I would hope that the mother chooses to have the child and put it up for adoption. If in the case of rape, incest, or if a deformity or retardation is picked early I would understand wholeheartedly if the mother aborted it, though if she wanted to abort it simply because they didn't want it I would see it to be incredibly selfish and hope that they would put it up for adoption.

    "I say giver her the choice, though I would hope that the mother chooses to have the child and put it up for adoption."
    This, exactly.
    - Logos385 January 7, 2013, 11:29 pm
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    YES. Let her have the choice, who are we to say otherwise. We can make the decisions when it's our lives and our futures at stake.

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    In most cases why can't a mother just put the baby up for adoption? If you just don't want your family/friends to know you shouldn't have had sex. Everyone on the god damn planet knows that any form of contraception isn't 100% effective so every time you have sex you know there is a chance you could impregnate the woman you are having sex with or could get pregnant yourself in a woman's case.

    Personally, I don't think that even if a woman is raped that they should be able to abort that baby. What makes that baby any less of a person? If she doesn't want it then put it up for adoption.

    That's just my opinion. Please don't blast me and call me heartless and say I don't respect a woman's body and all kinds of fucking bullshit like that. It's just my opinion. If right now you're angry, calm your fucking tits.

    You are a cruel, heartless, evil person who treats women as objects who's only purpose is to procreate, and tend to your ever want and desire. Your opinion while yours is entirely wrong and backwards to the point where even 12 toed, three eyed, swamp hicks agree with me and I am enraged!! If you haven't realized it by now, I am being facetious.
    - triclebickle January 8, 2013, 5:00 am
    I second that motion
    - TheRussianBadger January 8, 2013, 11:18 am
    "What makes that baby any less of a person?" is the part I think I'll focus on. What makes that zygote a person in the first place? What are the qualifications of something being "human?" Do you think you have the right/ability to make that determination for every woman in America?
    - Logos385 January 8, 2013, 7:28 pm
    First off, as you know, I am a christian. To me a baby being conceived is a miracle in itself. Will anyone ever be able to clearly define, "When a zygote becomes a human."? Probably not. What I said above is my personal opinion. Do I think it should be law? No. There's just no way one could make a law without it being a religious law. Scientifically one couldn't define when it is legally a human or not. I think abortion for the most part is barbaric and just plain wrong. Should it be illegal? I don't know.

    I do not believe that religious laws can line up with governmental laws just because it is part of one's religion. Creating laws solely based off one's religion could send us down a dark road and sets dangerous precedents.
    - Jofus1992 January 8, 2013, 8:52 pm
    Agreed on a lot of those points! I am trying, however, to explore your viewpoint with questions. It's fine if you don't want to answer them, but I will ask as long as you don't mind.

    You think abortion is murder, but you aren't sure when a baby achieves personhood. If you think abortion is murder, don't you think personhood is at conception?

    If personhood starts at conception, is a miscarriage god-sanctioned murder?
    - Logos385 January 8, 2013, 9:05 pm
    Of course I don't mind.
    I don't think abortion is murder. Still very wrong. But not murder. A zygote while clearly not a full-fledged human being I believe still has some sort of rights as a human being. For me, a baby being conceived is enough to say it's human for me but like I said there is no scientific proof for that to hold ground. There are some people who don't think a baby is human until the moment it's born and not a second before that.

    I think the phrase "god-sanctioned murder" in any case is a bit strong and a cheap shot at untimely death of any person but that's argument is not for here.
    - Jofus1992 January 9, 2013, 1:12 pm
    The line between a zygote and a human being is far too fine and I do not have the education to clearly enunciate where that line is.
    - Jofus1992 January 9, 2013, 1:13 pm
    That is all fair. But, leads to more questions, of course! If abortion isn't murder, what makes it "very wrong?"
    - Logos385 January 9, 2013, 8:17 pm
    Ending what will be a human life. Not giving it a chance to live and prosper. That's just me. Like I said, I don't necessarily think it should be a law but just something I live my life by.
    - Jofus1992 January 10, 2013, 5:08 pm
    Mhmm. So then, a Zygote is a human life?
    - Logos385 January 10, 2013, 10:07 pm
    It will be. No sperm is not the same neither is an egg.
    - Jofus1992 January 26, 2013, 8:49 pm
    Why not though? A Zygote will be a human life? That's not for sure though, is it? Miscarriages. Many Zygotes don't even make it to that stage. Zygotes need incubation, nurturing, nutrients, and a ridiculously safe and sterile environment to even come close to becoming a baby. Sperm and eggs need all of that and to be combined. You discount sperm and eggs because, on their own, they can't become a human being. But neither can a zygote. What's the difference, really?
    - Logos385 January 27, 2013, 4:25 pm
    A zygote contains all genetic code for that person. It contains all the genetic material that person needs. A sperm will never incubate and develop into a complex living organism.

    Out of curiosity, forgive me if you already said it but this has been going on for weeks, when if ever do you believe a baby should and shouldn't be aborted?
    - Jofus1992 January 31, 2013, 12:10 am
    A sperm will develop into a person, given the right conditions. A.k.a fertilizing an egg. And why does containing genetic information matter? How does that relate to whether or not something can be aborted?

    And I personally believe that abortions are often a negative experience, and to avoid them when at all possible. In the event I was in a position where my significant other was accidentally impregnated, I would do my best to convince her that abortion wasn't the way to go, as I think it is a very depressing and unwanted avenue. However, I recognize that other people have different ideas, and that they should have the right to express that and analyze their own situation. I think abortion should be illegal obviously right before birth, also illegal in the third trimester. Basically, if the baby has a chance to survive on its own, it is medically a "human life," and that's really the only qualification I can find regarding abortion and what is a "life" that seems somewhat logical and fact-based, rather than emotional. So: if a baby can survive on its own, I believe that it should be illegal to abort that baby (I believe that is a fair way into the pregnancy). Other than that, it is choice.
    - Logos385 January 31, 2013, 11:20 am
    I think there is a line between what a sperm/egg is and a zygote. Honestly, for me it's a religious issue. To me, once that organism contains the genetic code for that human, it's a human. But just a sperm/egg by itself doesn't.

    Like I said before, I don't think abortion should be illegal all in all. I agree with you for the most part. There should come a point in the pregnancy that a line is drawn and made illegal. I guess I could say at the beginning of the 3rd trimester. Personally I still think it's wrong but I can't force that on other people. If you don't like abortions, don't get one.

    In my eyes, abortions would seem to be filled with negative and harmful emotions that can have long term affects on a person. Like you if my significant other was accidentally impregnated I would strongly urge her not to have an abortion. It would honestly piss me the fuck off (pardon my language.) if a woman aborted a baby that was mine. Yes, it's her body but it's the man's baby too. He should have some sort of say in it.
    - Jofus1992 January 31, 2013, 1:25 pm
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    pro choice, her body her rights.

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    A women's body is just that, its HER body she the one that suffers through the pregnancy, shes the one that deals with medical bills, and she is the one that ultimately deserves the right to choose weather or no to abort or keep the baby.

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    So from all these pro choice people, I am to assume you would kill a baby with a heart beat that is in the 3rd trimester? I keep hearing all this about the woman's rights, I guess children have no rights.
    According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), since 1973, roughly 50 million legal induced abortions have been performed in the United States. World War II fatality statistics vary, with estimates of total dead ranging from 50 million to over 70 million. Way to go ProLife people, you have killed just about as many people as WWII.

    Most people wouldn't wait until the 3rd Trimester for an abortion. (A rape victim would likely have one ASAP) Unless there's a financial issue (maybe you lose you job during the pregnancy.) It makes no sense to terminate a pregnancy that late.

    "I keep hearing all this about the woman's rights, I guess children have no rights."

    Compared to adults, the average child has less rights (not as mature or experienced, therefore cannot make the same choices or decisions, let alone face those consequences.) In the case of a fetus, or a zygote, it can't have rights. It can't think, feel, or perform any function other than feed off the placenta. It's not unreasonable to put the rights of the woman carrying the pregnancy above the zygote. Do you lungs, liver, kidneys or other body parts have rights? They're made up of living cells too. They're about as alive as a zygote.

    Also, when a woman has her period after getting pregnant, there are fertilized eggs getting flushed out of her body. The equivalent of a few abortions. By your logic, every woman who has her period after she gets pregnant is a murderer.
    - CrazyJay January 10, 2013, 9:21 am
    Wrong logic.
    - johnecash January 10, 2013, 10:07 am
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    I don't have a problem with it, if someone wants to have it, then let them

    btw, if anyone writes a reply, i can't be asked to read anything too long, keep it short and simple, thanks :D

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    no should be illegal in fact should be murder!.. who the hell do you people think they are to mess with things like that... gods?

    Why do you hold that position? Do you think you are like a god, dictating the decisions of women everywhere?
    - Logos385 January 10, 2013, 1:03 am
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    I don't believe it is OK, nor do I believe it is murder. Both groups have 1 thing in common. They know. The one group knows that an unborn child is a human. The other group knows it is just tissue. But the problem is: there is no way to ever tell. So what do we do? Is it OK to kill a human if we didn't know it to be one? No, it isn't, it is called manslaughter. But if it is not a human (yet), is it OK to kill it? No, it is recklessness. My conclusion is: only do it if it is justifiable to take another human's life; that is in severe cases.

    So your rationale is to simply assume it is human, whether or not it is? Sure, killing a human is quite terrible. However, removing a clump of tissue? That is equivalent to removing a benign tumor. No moral question associated with it at all.
    - Logos385 January 10, 2013, 10:59 am
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    Pro-Life. Exceptions would be in cases of rape, incest, or life threatening situations. Men do have a say. If a couple has sex and the lady ends up being pregnant and wants to abort, the man should absolutely have a say in whether or not his child lives. I have no idea about when life starts or anything scientifically related to the topic as I am neither a doctor nor scientist. Religion has no matter here. If a living human life is being killed, then it is wrong and is no different than murder. If not, it is ok. Shaky topic for me as I don't really have a firm stance (since I don't know enough factual information) on one side or the other.

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    Hmm. So you aren't sure when human life begins, but are sure enough about your answer that you would, in a legislative way, vote to override other peoples' opinions and force them to keep a pregnancy they may not desire?

    Not sure how you came out with that. "If a living human life is being killed, then it is wrong and is no different than murder. If not, it is ok."
    - Jjbigscreeners January 10, 2013, 10:35 pm
    That is what "Pro-Life" means, that you are in favor of anti-abortion legislation. The unsure part comes from the rest of your post.
    - Logos385 January 10, 2013, 11:15 pm
    Let me clarify then. I am Pro-Life. I personally feel abortions are wrong except in the cases stated previously. However since I do not know all the information needed to firmly back my stance, I can't tell you that I am correct. Honestly, my opinion is moot because I have no proof or facts as to when a life starts. Hence, the line in bold. To answer your question. Yes. I do not think people should destroy a human life simply because they do not desire to go through with a pregnancy.
    - Jjbigscreeners January 10, 2013, 11:22 pm
    Ok, thank you for the clarification. So, you personally feel that human life begins at conception, but you don't have proof of that to be used in an argumentative discussion? I'm just trying to understand : ).
    - Logos385 January 11, 2013, 12:12 am
    Pretty much.
    - Jjbigscreeners January 11, 2013, 7:36 am
    Ok, I gotcha. So, we are right back to my former question: you think your unproven personal feeling is enough to override the decisions of women in dire, personal situations? (You support the legislation, which would override the decisions)
    - Logos385 January 11, 2013, 11:33 am
    Dire situations, no. To just not want the baby, yes. But since there apparently is no definite answer to the question as to whether or not a human life is being killed, I will remain pro-life.
    - Jjbigscreeners January 11, 2013, 3:47 pm
    Does the Pro-Life legislation not preclude exceptions for dire situations other than rape/incest?
    - Logos385 January 11, 2013, 11:42 pm
    Don't know. I'd imagine it would include life threatening situations to the mother as well.
    - Jjbigscreeners January 12, 2013, 10:03 am
    Do you think there are situations other than rape, incest, and life of the mother being endangered that would be an acceptable reason for abortion?
    - Logos385 January 12, 2013, 4:01 pm
    Not that I can currently think of.
    - Jjbigscreeners January 12, 2013, 11:51 pm
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    great idea: let the mother choose... wow... that was simple...

    • MIKYTEY
    • January 11, 2013, 3:31 pm
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    Hey Logos, do you think next week we could debate something that requires a little more research rather than mostly opinion? Like Palestinian statehood, Iranian Nuclear rights/ambitions or something middle-easterny? Or was the entire point to make it easy to participate in? Either way, I'm enjoying these. :3

    I'm down for any topic, really! For now, I'm trying to keep the topics at least moderately current, and both of your suggestions fit the bill. I think most people should have an opinion on Palestinian statehood- that will be the next topic, or the one after that maybe : ). Thanks!
    - Logos385 January 11, 2013, 11:41 pm
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    Until us men grow a uterus we should take a sideline on this.

    It's not for anyone else but those who are carrying to decide!

    END OF.

    • Math
    • February 4, 2013, 7:40 am
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