September 11, 2010

Today is September 11, 2010. It has been 9 years since the terrorist attacks on the United States, specifically the World Trade Centers, and the Pentagon.

Though many of you might believe that the actions taken afterwards were wrong, or have gone on for to long, that is not what this is about. This about remembering those who died in the attacks that morning.

2,996 people have died due to that actions that day, including the hijackers. All deaths were civilians including 55 Military personnel.


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Thank you.

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    wherewaskingkong - september 11, 2010

    and they tell me not to poke fun at the WTC...
    - BEASTY September 29, 2010, 10:02 pm
    haha so awesome
    - poopiteepoop September 30, 2010, 5:19 am
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    i dont like to see anything about September 11 because my mother was in the top of the right twin tower and she died when it fell. i am 14 years old now and i still cry when i talk about it. i am crying now. i will forever remember and pay respect to those who died in that building. i thank god that i wasn't with her when she was in there. i say this here and now, people who are suffering in agony of anguish from the loss of loved ones, i share and understand your pain for i feel it too.

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    Awesome k/d ratio though...

    • Dannyl
    • September 29, 2010, 10:54 am
    Ah, subtle humor.
    - Porsche91109 September 29, 2010, 10:58 am
    We British are an evil creation of God :)
    - Dannyl September 29, 2010, 11:56 am
    not funny.
    - johnecash September 29, 2010, 2:10 pm
    thats horrible but soo funny for some rreason.....
    - gamma935 September 29, 2010, 2:55 pm
    British humour. We don't expect you to find it funny
    - Dannyl September 29, 2010, 11:12 pm
    I find plenty of British humor funny. Your joke was not funny. Who is this "We" by the way?
    - johnecash September 30, 2010, 6:11 am
    I find it funny. You have to find beauty or humour in negative spaces or situations.
    - XxDaminalsxX October 1, 2010, 12:10 pm
    Me for one!
    - zebidybob September 11, 2011, 10:47 am
    wow are you really saying that on sep 11, that was funny? you have no timing then
    - johnecash September 11, 2011, 1:17 pm
    No I was referring to the joke that was made, as it is actually funny.

    It is the 12th here!

    If you can't laugh, you can only cry.
    - zebidybob September 11, 2011, 1:32 pm
    to you the day is only a joke. to me is a painful memory.
    - johnecash September 12, 2011, 6:07 am
    I'm sorry if you lost family, friends or just people you know but shit happens and it was over 10 years ago. The U.S isn't the only country in the world to have had a tragedy happen to it so if you really can't deal with it then call me whatever you want (e.g expletives) but there is no need to reply with them.
    - zebidybob September 12, 2011, 7:14 am
    While it is true the US is not the only country to have had terrorist, we are not talking about other countries. since this is a 911 post, I am talking about 911. I have a feeling that you are not from the US, not are you old enough for that day to have made an impact on your life. so to you it is understandable that thousands of people dying for no good reason is just a joke to you. please try and understand, its not a joke to many of us. It may had been ten years ago, but to those who did loose some one, it may had been last week. I truly do hope you never know that type of pain.
    - johnecash September 12, 2011, 7:41 am
    Firstly so many mistakes!

    I didn't say that thousands dying was a joke I said Dannyls joke was funny to me. I think it is rather presumptuous of you to talk about my age or whether or not it had an effect on my life. I did know someone who died on that day I wasn't close to him but I feel that not making a joke isn't going to bring people back so I found the original joke funny (if I had of thought of it I would have posted it), plus this is the Internet take things with a pinch of salt.

    End of, I shall not be replying anymore.

    :-)
    - zebidybob September 12, 2011, 7:55 am
    like i said, you were too young when it happened to mean anything other than a joke to you. the joke was about the kill to death ratio. the joke was about thousands of people dying for no reason. more power to you if thats your morbid sense of humor. not everyone thinks its funny. tell me how old and where were you when it happened? prove me wrong about the age. or prove me right by leaving it as a sad joke.
    - johnecash September 12, 2011, 8:12 am
    16
    - zebidybob September 12, 2011, 9:09 am
    There you go. You were 6 when it happened. I was 23 waiting on calls from friends in new york. calls that never came.
    - johnecash September 12, 2011, 9:27 am
    no I am 26 now.
    I was 16 at the time.
    - zebidybob September 12, 2011, 9:30 am
    thats a shame. you act much younger for this topic.
    - johnecash September 12, 2011, 9:32 am


    Look at XxDaminalsxX comment



    - zebidybob September 12, 2011, 9:42 am
    you kids are so fun. when you have nothing to say, you post a pic to speak for you. by the way, i thought you said you were done speaking a while ago.
    - johnecash September 12, 2011, 11:56 am
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    God bless America. God bless Iron Man.

    • Ertrov
    • September 13, 2010, 2:42 pm
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    At the end of the day nearly 3000 innocent people died that day, and no matter what your viewpoint is whether it be 'it was a conspiracy' or 'caused by radicals claiming to be living under the laws of Islam', the dead should be respected because as I mentioned they were innocents going about their business, trying to save thousands of people who were trapped above or below the impact zone or trying to prevent another plane from reaching it's target and they should be respected, be you American, British or any other nationality, same as us British would expect for those who died in the London Bombings or during the IRA era. I understand there are different viewpoints, be it on who caused it, or about whether you should make light out of a very dark situation via joking, but I believe everyone here has respect for those who died that day be it, the civilians, military or public service personnel, and that's how it should remain.

    R.I.P.

    • SuDoku
    • October 2, 2010, 9:29 am
    truer words have never been spoken. preach on brother.
    - johnecash October 2, 2010, 10:07 am
    Sister, ;) but thanks :)

    Just get sick of seeing people detracting away from the point of these things sometimes lol.
    - SuDoku October 2, 2010, 10:10 am
    what i hate is when people try and make excuses for the crazy zealots who killed all these innocent people. don't let a couple of bad apples ruin the name of an entire religion. it was not a conspiracy. it was religious ass hats that flew the planes in to the towers. i hope they are burning in hell now.
    ps my bad, you go SISTER!
    - johnecash October 2, 2010, 10:19 am
    I will make that point to people everytime, which is why it annoys me when people claim that it's all Muslims. Islam is a peaceful religion and jihad's main meaning is actually 'An individual's striving for spiritual self-perfection'. What people seem to forget is that Christianity and Catholicism aren't exactly perfect considering that crusades etc were used against the Jews and Muslims as they opposed the Christian way of life. The terrorists are not Muslims they are radicals claiming that way of life to cover their own asses and that is what I will say to anyone who says stuff like this to me.
    - SuDoku October 2, 2010, 10:22 am
    i personal know marines that are Muslims. they are fighting and dying for this country just as hard as any christian can.
    - johnecash October 2, 2010, 10:25 am
    Well it's the same with all armies, there will always be other religions all fighting for the same cause. I know the stuff I've said because I have mates who are Muslims, and they are no different to me, who's christened as a Church of England Christian (though I don't practice it), the only difference is, is that they pray to a different God, which is why I don't understand why all Muslims are portrayed to be radicals.
    - SuDoku October 2, 2010, 11:14 am
    one word, ignorance.
    - johnecash October 2, 2010, 12:09 pm
    Yeah that's true. Don't understand why you get downrated so much, you actually speak sense..
    - SuDoku October 2, 2010, 12:27 pm
    i don't sugar coat my beliefs. if i think you are crazy, and lets all face it some of the things you read on here are crazy, i will call it. on the flip side if you are correct i like to support the cause.
    - johnecash October 2, 2010, 9:18 pm
    Fair enough.
    - SuDoku October 2, 2010, 11:09 pm
    Except for the FACT that the "entire" religion seeks to assimilate you or destroy you.
    - FUUMotherFer September 11, 2011, 5:24 am
    Sorry that is not a fact but a misconception. your understanding of the "entire" religion is lacking to say the best
    - johnecash September 11, 2011, 9:29 am
    .... all religions are looking to get you to join because they believe they have the right way. and the destroying part is not correct they preach basically the same things as christianity and Judaism *except they believe more along the lines of an eye for an eye rather than turn the other check.*

    *= this is based off of what i have studied in school i am not muslim but from what i have been taught in classes. it is to be taken loosely and not literally as it is not an in depth response on the differences in the religions and to the claim made by FUU
    - 24paperwings September 11, 2011, 6:22 pm
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    We will never forget...

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    september the 11th is my birthday! i like to think i am the example that from death no matter how terrible comes new life, i have the greatest respect for those that lost their lifes and i wish such things never to happen ever again.

    • Polygon
    • September 13, 2010, 3:59 pm
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    9 11 Your doing it wrong Huge Collection of Randoms s378x429 66519 580

    1276398742697s - september 11, 2010

    dipsheet u r
    - FUUMotherFer September 11, 2011, 5:27 am
    Lol u mad bro, bro mad u lol?
    - Dragkyre September 11, 2011, 7:03 am
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    i had appendisitis (spelling?) surgery on 9/11 last year, just a fun fact about me

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    Remember remember the 11th of September.

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    Does anybody ever stop and think WHY they attacked us in the first place? Not because of our president or government or oil. But because we're Christians! And if anybody knows their world history or has played Assassins Creed 1 they would know about The Crusades (King Richard, Saladin, and whatnot) they would know that Christians during the crusades raped, pillaged, robbed, killed, and even sometimes ate (Muslim children). Now i'm not saying I agree with them or that I wanted 9/11 to happen i'm just saying: don't you think it's time we atoned for all of the pain and suffering the U.S and Christians have caused? I mean the Christians are the ones who started the crusades to begin with. And please, no trolls. Now don't get me wrong, i'm an American (not a southern, redneck) and i'm glad that I live in a country where I can do whatever the fuck I want according to the constitution. I'm merely expressing my opinion is all.

    That is true and all, but America isnt a "Christian" country. TOns of different people who belonged to different religions died that day.

    And intelligence afterwards and before hand led to the belief that Osama bin laden was only after America because of what happened when the Russians were invading Afganistan. Not becuase we are "Christians".
    - Porsche91109 September 29, 2010, 1:40 pm
    did you really just try and pass a video game off as the truth? heads up high speed there was no US during any of the crusades. 911 happened due to crazy people. nothing more nothing less. tell me again, i am a southern man who has plenty of red on his neck. whats wrong with the south again?
    - johnecash September 29, 2010, 1:54 pm
    I wasn't comparing life to a video game. I'm just saying that if you've played Assassins Creed or know your World History you would know about the crusades. My >U.S History< teacher told me this. I know there wasn't any U.S during the crusades captain obvious. Osama bin Laden and his group started a war on the Christian religion because of what they did during the crusades. And if you haven't noticed, over half of the U.S is of Christian faith. Don't you think they have a right to be angry? Now, I don't watch Glenn Beck or Bill O'Reilly or Fox News in general because I think they blow things way out of proportion. Glenn Beck's just a dumbass that thinks everything's a government conspiracy.

    What's wrong with the south? I was born in Alabama, though i'm not a redneck, meaning I don't say Ammerrrca. Rednecks think they're better than everybody else. They thin that there's absolutely nothing wrong with this country. That people are fighting for freedom aND nothing else.
    - XxDaminalsxX September 30, 2010, 3:23 am
    First off I am a redneck and I don't think I am better than everybody else.
    2nd the crusades were how many hundreds of years ago? No one alive today has fought in or been apart of the crusades. People like Bin laden are going to be angry no matter what. When they are happy they burn flags, when they are pissed they burn flags. Until there is a real education system for these poor bastards they will fight this holy war since they don't know any better. So once again I will tell you that 911 and the Crusades have nothing to do with each other. You go ahead and try and justify these cowardly attacks all you want. If your teacher told you it happened due to the crusades he is wrong top to bottom.
    - johnecash September 30, 2010, 6:10 am
    And plus, Bin laden didnt start this shit over the Crusades. Its all about in the 80's and 90's when the Russians were invading Afghanistan.
    - Porsche91109 September 30, 2010, 11:44 am
    You're just like the people protesting the Mosque NEAR ground zero aren't you? I'm not justifying the attacks. I'm just saying we pissed them off. You probably think that all Muslims should burn because of Osama bin Laden and his group of individuals? If you want to talk about burning flags? We're no better!! That stupid ass preacher proved that when he wanted to publicly burn the sacred text of Muslims; the Qu'Ran. When we are mad, we start wars. When we are pissed, we start wars or blow up foreign countries we fought with for no reason.
    - XxDaminalsxX September 30, 2010, 2:39 pm
    Lets see I am a retired USMC captain who has fought for our flag and supports the rights of muslims who want to build the community center. while i don't agree with the crazy preacher wanting to burn the Koran, or any book, i have fought will will fight again if need be for his and the muslims free speech. do you understand that these people have been pissed off at the world for about 2000 years? no matter what we do they will hate us. heads up high speed don't assume you know anything about me. ask first then judge. you say we are no better. better than what? a society that is about to have a woman stoned for the crime of being raped? yes we are better than that. a society that gives no rights to women, gays, or outsiders? yep the US is much better than that.
    - johnecash September 30, 2010, 7:57 pm
    I think he was just trying to make people consider the fact that these people aren't insane and randomly killing us. They fervently believe that what they do is right and is in fact justice for past crimes committed. They're all victims of their society and should actually be pitied rather than hated.
    - Dannyl October 1, 2010, 1:40 am
    Yet we discriminate against gays. We have people that go around killing people because they're gay. Muslims haven't been pissed off for 2,000 years. Pay attention in history next time, you might learn something. And I said PROBABLY. MEaning I don't know if you feel that way or not. So i'm not judging you. I don't care that you're ex marine. That has nothing to with anything. Muslims don't hate us. Muslim extremists hate us. They don't have people stoned for being raped. Plus if you're ex-marine you would defend the U.S for the crimes we've conmmited. We also desicriminate against outsiders (Legal Mexicans, Russians, etc.). Barely do outsiders have any rights. It's not the Muslims fault that their religion has extremists. Christians have extremists too. Christian extremists go around blowing up abortion clinics and whatnot. But i'm rambling now so I will leave it at that.
    - XxDaminalsxX October 1, 2010, 3:23 am
    Thank you!
    Words of wisdom from the great dannyl.
    - XxDaminalsxX October 1, 2010, 3:24 am
    - Dannyl October 1, 2010, 3:31 am
    Also if you're going to argue with johnecash you'll need to prepare yourself for him mentioning being a marine and also to make insults about your age and how you think you know everything, etc
    - Dannyl October 1, 2010, 3:32 am
    Dammit. I had funny marine related moti's I was gonna post just to see if he would be offended but my school's being gay and won't let me browse through my pictures and post them.
    - XxDaminalsxX October 1, 2010, 3:47 am
    they don't have women being stoned for being raped you say? read this;
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/06/sakineh-mohammadie-ashtiani_n_635846.html
    also what do you mean by; We have people that go around killing people because they're gay.
    we do not have any state sponsored morality police who will kill you if you are gay.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297982,00.html
    - johnecash October 1, 2010, 5:43 am
    thanks for trolling the post. if its ok with you let me say what i think, i don't need your help. i am sorry if being in the USMC for 8 years has helped shape my life. you go back to defending some one who is making excuses for the terrorist. then again according to you its ok to defend the actions taken by the terrorist but as soon as i disagree with you i am a racist;

    Dannyl
    Dannyl
    Rank: #3
    You're actually just a racist aren't you?
    - johnecash October 1, 2010, 5:45 am
    Perhaps if you could direct me to that comment i made and i'll just point out my reason for it? As i don't just go around randomly saying that. Please explain what part was a troll? I think you should just let him say what he thinks and maybe consider his point of view, and theirs.
    - Dannyl October 1, 2010, 6:08 am
    when i have called children children Perhaps if you could direct me to that comment i made and i'll just point out my reason for it? i will give you the same respect you give me. also when i have i been wrong about calling a kid a kid? please explain to me the point of view that makes it ok to defend terrorist.
    what part is being a troll? everything you said;
    Also if you're going to argue with johnecash you'll need to prepare yourself for him mentioning being a marine and also to make insults about your age and how you think you know everything, etc
    your post had nothing to do with the topic at hand. you are trying to attack me personally. thats a troll from what this site has shown me.
    - johnecash October 1, 2010, 6:19 am
    I believe that was a word of advice to a friend on this site. Take it as you like. It's really very far from trolling, but if you feel otherwise there is a report function and you can use and one of the other mods can delete it if they want.

    Oh i found the comment, there were a few previously but i was replying to you making a comment about australians that time. it is in the USA vs Europe post. and you know it's not that you're calling them children, the problem is you're using it as a way of dismissing what they say as irrelevant. That just doesn't sit well with me, goes against my idea of free speech.
    - Dannyl October 1, 2010, 6:30 am
    so me calling a young kid a kid goes against what you see as free speech? by all means please explain this. tell me how i can not say something, but if i do i am going against your free speech.
    - johnecash October 1, 2010, 6:33 am
    You will say that they're young and they just don't understand the world, etc. they'll learn eventually though. things like that just makes them feel that what they think is being completely ignored. You've done it to me quite a lot when we used to argue even though i'm 22 and have been supporting myself for 4 years now, you do have a habit of it. And even though it can sometimes be true that the younger guys on here just don't have a full grasp of the world doesn't mean it's the same for all of them.

    I just think you try to help them in your own way though so i don't really mind. hence why i was warning daminals before he got too frustrated talking to you.

    Either way this is just turning into an argument rather than a debate so i think we'll end it here.

    - Dannyl October 1, 2010, 6:54 am
    for the pic of the kitten you can have BBQ with me anytime. i disagree with nothing you said in your last post.
    - johnecash October 1, 2010, 6:58 am
    I didn't say anything about the police you dumb fuck. I'm talking about the society as a whole. There are people (not cops) that will either beat or kill you because of your sexuality. And anything you hear somewhere else or say, Fox News will take it, attack it, and blow it way out of proportion. And also I don't know if being 17 is still considered a "kid" but age has nothing to do with this argument. Also I am not saying that what Osama bin Laden and HIS group of Muslim EXREMISTS did is right. All i'm saying is don't blame an entire culture for having suicide bombing extremists. That is not the Muslim religion. Then again I doubt the marine corps taught you that. Since America's army, marine corps, etc's favorite motto to live by is shoot first, ask questions never because anything you say is invalid. So if that's what you consider "shaping" your life then may god have mercy on your soul.
    - XxDaminalsxX October 1, 2010, 12:06 pm
    These are just to see if you'll find these offensive and bitch about it.










    and this last one has nothing to with anything. I posted this just because I was bored and felt like it and because she's from my favorite band and is my favorite solo artist.
    - XxDaminalsxX October 1, 2010, 12:48 pm
    some of the funniest people on this planet are in the military. nothing offensive in those pics.
    - johnecash October 1, 2010, 2:57 pm
    no you did not mention anything about the government. i did. to compare a few bad apples in the US to an entire government shows your lack of understanding of the subject do you not see the hypocrisy in what you just said? you are saying that the society of the US is so bad that everyone in the US will beat or kill you based on your sexuality? the reason i assume this is you are not the type whould would blame and entire culture for having extremist. thats not the american way. then again i doubt being 17 has taught you that. since your favorite motto is to ask questions never because anything you say is invalid. so far nothing you have assumed i believed has been correct. you my child must learn to ask first, then you will learn.
    - johnecash October 1, 2010, 3:06 pm
    SO are we done here? Or do you want to keep arguing with me?
    - XxDaminalsxX October 1, 2010, 3:08 pm
    argue about what? i have just been correcting some of what you said that is not true.
    - johnecash October 1, 2010, 3:10 pm
    I said "people" will beat you and or shoot/kill you because of your sexuality. Did I say an entire society? No. I did not. I said people. As in people that discriminate against gays. So sue me and call me un-american for not blaming Muslims for having suicide bombing extremists. It's not the Muslims fault they have extremists. It's also not their fault that 9/11 happened. I was saying that the marine corps obviously taught you to shoot first, and never ask any questions because anything I or someone else says something that you don't believe is invalid. "My child"? Who are you again? Because you're certainly not my father. "Learn to ask first, then I will learn"? Ha! Fancy grammar skills and wordplay coming from a rebel flag bearing redneck. The US has more than just a FEW "bad apples" as you call it. I mean we were sending troops to help bomb Yugoslavia. And why was that again? Oh wait we're Americans, so we don't need a reason. I see the military trains their dogs well.
    - XxDaminalsxX October 1, 2010, 4:07 pm
    they should be pitied and watched. when you mix religion and massive amounts of poor people just looking for something to believe in, people with no education, well you get 911.
    - johnecash December 30, 2010, 12:12 am
    a lot of good pity will do you when they are cutting your throat.
    - FUUMotherFer September 11, 2011, 5:26 am
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    sigh what a sad time

    • peace
    • December 26, 2010, 2:46 pm
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    and they want to build a mosque on it, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

    Um, actually, 9/1 was caused by Muslims. Everyone involved in that attack was a Muslim. Get your facts straight.
    - Ertrov September 28, 2010, 5:20 pm
    what facts have i messed up? please tell me.
    - johnecash September 29, 2010, 7:52 am
    Actually Ertov get your facts right none of the bombers were Muslims as they broke the two main reasons for a Jihad which is what they claimed to be doing, they killed innocents and destroyed property two things you categoricaly do not do if you are a true Muslim, now if you want to get technichal all involved in the attack claiming to be muslim are actually execution material under the islamic sharia-law.
    Get your facts straight before you vomit your brain all over a web page.
    - HippyBoy September 29, 2010, 8:24 am
    strangely i agree
    - BEASTY September 29, 2010, 9:02 am
    youre ignorant. "true" jihad is war. during a jihad conversion through rape and torture is approved. the only rape/torture that is not approved is if they are muslim.

    if you are not muslim. you are not innocent.

    get YOUR facts straight. Muhammad wrote specific orders to chop off toes/heads in the quran of non-believers. Muhammad was a war-monger, he lead military attacks against innocent people. after he died his armies attacked 2/3rds of the christian world.

    thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/WWMD.htm

    the haddith is the mulim equivelant of the gospels. Allah is the moon God from arabian mythology, he used this to easily convert his surrounding population into an army, which he used to conquer most of the world.

    they often speak of 72 virgins (wife not included), but they forget to mention the 28 pre-pubescent boy servants.

    im from nyc and you know what? the DAY after 9/11 before people even realised it was arabs. the arabs in my neighborhood... store owners, slum lords, etc had moved back to their home country. OVERNIGHT. some even before that.

    a MOSQUE in albany NY got busted a few years back because of newly allowed "information retrieval tools" that the patriot act allowed. they've been openly selling explosives for years. and not a single muslim came out about this.

    stop reading stupid writings from muslim appologists... over 15,000 people have died since 9/11 from muslim attacks.

    "The spread of Islam was military. There is a tendency to apologize for this and we should not. It is one of the injunctions of the Qur'an that you must fight to spread Islam."
    Dr. Ali Issa Othman, Islamic Scholar
    - c8r15 September 29, 2010, 10:40 am
    You know i could enter into some long debate with you swapping quotes from the darkest of ignorant depths of all the holy books in the world, i'm sorry i've come to this but to me the event 9/11 is not a massive tragedy compared to many disasters that have happened in the world. And the cherry on this whole historic shit cake is that not one of you fucking ignorant bastard americans or any nationallity in the retard child that is the western world has a single post or tv program or minute of silence or even a thought for any of these poor innocent people that your and my country caused the deaths off purely for more oil and money.
    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
    - HippyBoy September 29, 2010, 10:58 am
    wtf are you talking about hippyboy? i just refuted your statement about muslims and your understanding of what "jihad" is. why bring up something else? oh i know, because this is something you think you can win on a semi-related subject.

    but im more than happy to play your game.

    you think this is about money and oil? who told you that? MTV?... you dont have a single fact to back it up. youre just regurgitating something you read on some stupid youtube video.

    the innocent deaths were accidents (the islam attacks were intentional) and that site you posted? its only slightly less accurate than guessing random numbers. at one point i remember this being upwards of 650,000 deaths, what happened? they revived half a million? they like to pretend al jazeera is telling the truth. yet all al jazeer does is exaddurate bogus crap to get people mad at the jews... simply because they hate jews and have always hated the jews. and they hate america, because america supports the jews.

    During all of 2006, one of the worst years in Iraq, less than 200 Iraqi civilians were killed by Americans. All but a tiny handful occurred in action that involved the terrorists, and many (if not most) of these civilians may have been killed by the terrorists themselves in firefights with the Americans.(By contrast, about 16,000 Iraqi civilians were killed that year by Islamic terrorists) how about the 500,000+ dead from saddam using chemical weapons, torture, on his rival tribes? any take on that?

    now that i shot down your idea that youre for the "greater good" of people. which youre not. lets move on.

    OIL: that can make sense for 2 reasons. 1 we are stealing their oil (which we are not, nobody believes that anymore, explain the billions oil companies have been throwing away desperately trying to DRILL? remember that whole BP thing? the insurgents are trying to destroy oil pipelines, and we are trying to rebuild iraq, so we thwart their attempts. or you believe we are doing it so iraqs oil can go on the global market. that wouldnt make any sense though, since the only reason it wasnt on the global market is because of US-supported sanctions.

    none of your arguments hold water. NONE.

    and i challenge you to find a single open ended order to violence in the bible, new or old testament, that does not contain historical context. i can find you hundreds in the quaran.

    its a violent, hateful book.
    - c8r15 September 30, 2010, 6:47 am
    its a violent hateful book the same way the bible is. it all depends on how you interpret it.
    - johnecash September 30, 2010, 6:56 am
    they like to pretend al jazeera is telling the truth. yet all al jazeer does is exaddurate bogus crap to get people mad at the jews... simply because they hate jews and have always hated the jews. and they hate america, because america supports the jews.
    You know that for a fact do you?

    During all of 2006, one of the worst years in Iraq, less than 200 Iraqi civilians were killed by Americans. All but a tiny handful occurred in action that involved the terrorists, and many (if not most) of these civilians may have been killed by the terrorists themselves in firefights with the Americans.(By contrast, about 16,000 Iraqi civilians were killed that year by Islamic terrorists) how about the 500,000+ dead from saddam using chemical weapons, torture, on his rival tribes? any take on that?
    Again you know this is true and factual how?

    we are trying to rebuild iraq
    *after blowing it up3

    none of your arguments hold water. NONE.
    so far i'm the only one to have shown any evidence you have none. So snap.

    If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

    On six days work may be done, but the seventh day shall be sacred to you as the Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord. Anyone who does work on that day, shall be put to death. You shall not even light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day. (Exodus 35:2-3 NAB)

    But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

    "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."
    (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

    "Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. In such cases, the father and mother must take the son before the leaders of the town. They must declare: 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard.' Then all the men of the town must stone him to death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 NLT)

    "Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." Psalms 137:9 NAB

    Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)



    If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

    I have more quotes if you wishy from this violent hateful book.

    And we are thwarting their attempts as we want the oil... that ones not exactly rocket science buddy.

    So what you believe we went in for the WMD's that never turned up, if that was true we could have just looked at what we sold saddam seing as the west provided him with all his weaponry.

    And not once did i say the two words Greater good in refrence to myself, infact it doesn't even appear in my post.

    If you want to continue this meaningless argument please send all responses straight to the recycle bin, just talking to you makes my skin crawl.
    - HippyBoy September 30, 2010, 8:04 am
    Forgot to mention it your point about terrorists killing the civilians, want to know who was the best at keeping al-qaeda out of iraq? Saddam he hated them with a passion and they were not active in iraq until after the invasion, so in a roundabout way the west caused the civilians deaths.
    - HippyBoy September 30, 2010, 8:09 am
    yes, i do know that for a fact. go do some research on al-jazeer's falsified reports. its easy to find and well documented.

    yes, the only evidence you showed was a stupid iraq body count website, and their number dropped a few hundred thousand in the past couple years. explain that.

    heres another source. www.logictimes.com/civilian.htm <they bring up some pretty good points about the inconsistant numbers people like you seem to be shouting about.

    after blowing it up? they have been unearthing mass unknown graves in iraq that are old. saddam slaughtered his people. nobody knows how many exactly, but they estimate upwards of 500,000 people. FAMILIES. he tortured prisoners, and had close ties to several terrorists organisations.

    www.boston.com/news/specials/hussein/gallery/saddam_iraq?pg=9 <one of the mass graves

    though saddam was not very muslim, the terrorists and him shared common enemies. (namely the jews)

    the "WMDs" that he was not allowed to have because of UN sanctions. that we told him to disarm, because of him not agreeing to follow the rules, he said he did disarm those explosives, so we asked UN inspectors to retrieve the shells (empty bombs) he said he wouldnt show us, and shot at UN planes. years and years later, after we found him offering money to terrorist organisations, and the fear he would trade these with the terrorist organisations, well... you can imagine.

    also: saddam is not a stupid man. he knows that we have people like you, that protest anything thats cool to protest. his battle tactics were "use landmines, guerilla warfare, barbed wire, etc" to injure our soldiers, hold our army off long enough for the people in this country to protest and cause our troops to pull out, so he can continue in power.

    LAST BUT NOT LEAST: :::THE CHALLENGE:::

    those passages you quoted were ALL taken out of context, probably from some stupid athiest site you found on google.

    (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) --this was a prophecy, read the surrounding text (it was NOT an open order to violence)
    www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah%2013%20;&version=NIV;

    (Exodus 35:2-3 NAB) -- this was the word of God, a direct message to the israelites at the time, prior to the great flood. once again, that passage was taken out of context. it is NOT an open order to violence. http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/exodus/exodus35.htm

    (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
    (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
    (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 NLT)
    (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
    (and your last quote was also from deuteronomy)
    -- The Laws given in Deuteronomy and Leviticus were given to a specific group, during a certain time. and the context is right there within the bible itself. these books contained a book of laws of the time. the bible told it like it is. that is why you dont have jews and christians stoning their non-virgin wives to death.

    all of your quotes were random bible passages taken out of context. not a single one was an open ended invitation to commit violent acts. there are hundreds of those in the quaran.

    you failed my challenge. want to try again?
    - c8r15 October 1, 2010, 8:27 am
    www.nationalreview.com/images/mural3.jpg <this was found inside saddams government office.

    and im not just talking about al qaeda. there are hundreds of terrorist groups around the world. he was linked to many including "Ansar al-Islam"

    www.nysun.com/foreign/report-details-saddams-terrorist-ties/72906/ ←-heres a neet little report about the dossiers found in saddams government building about their links to differerent jihadist terrorist groups.

    hippyboy. your barking rings hollow
    - c8r15 October 1, 2010, 8:40 am
    www.nysun.com/foreign/report-details-saddams-terrorist-ties/
    72906 a neat little comment to your report which i may add is from a newspaper.... Not usualy a freat place to refrence. Has luckily saved me typing a damn near identical response, enjoy joes words of wisdom.

    "Submitted by Joe, Mar 15, 2008 21:45"

    "I have read the actual report, and even if one assumes that it represents a honest assessment of Saddam's ties to terrorists (and that's a risky assumption), the picture that emerges is one of Saddam attempting to keep tabs on various groups and determine if they could be of some benefit to him in the future.

    Now his ties to Palestinian terrorist groups were pretty extensive, including funding and training, but I honestly don't know if that is any different from what just about every other country in the Middle-East does (including our "allies" in Saudi Arabia).

    All Saddam's other contacts with terrorist organizations seem to be in the realm of "who are these people, and can they be of any use to us?" nature. And virtually all of the active coordination with other terrorist groups appear to be limited to targeting those countries and people allied against Saddam at the time of hostilities during the Gulf War, and I dare say, could be considered legitimate military actions.

    The report goes on to state that Saddam's goals were secular and completely incompatible with those of Bin Laden's and other Islamic radicals. And while he was open to exploring possible collaboration in certain situations, he was under no illusions that these people could be trusted.

    So, having said all that, I must ask the following....How were Saddam's "links" with terrorist organizations much different from our own collaboration with whoever could help us in a given situation? We've supported Islamic fighters in Afghanistan against the Soviets, Khmer Rouge against the Vietnamese, and dozens of brutal dictators all of the world when we felt we needed to. But no one would argue that we subscribed to their ideology or ultimate goals. When Saddam's attempts to identify potential allies among terrorist groups is viewed through this prism, it's really not all that remarkable at all"

    And to you remark that all my quotes were taken out of context and not given teir full quotation, that may be true but every single religious book is based around another persons interpretation of the writing to some my quotes can be an open ended invitation for violence, and of course people don't stone their wifes to death IT'S THE YEAR 2010 THE BIBLE IS AN ANCIENT BOOK YOU FUCKING MORON, just like the Qua'ran is that's why you don't see hordes of muslims running around with 72 wives and 28 pre-pubescent boys raping and murdering anyone they see who isn't Muslim because that was written thousands of years ago when life ment a whole amount of fuck all, what you don't seem to understand is that you live side by side with Muslims and i'm betting you haven't been raped, murdered or made into a concubine by them, i even share some of their beliefs as i do the christian faith, religious texts are there to be intepreted not to be taken as cold hard guidelines on how to live.

    The spread of Islam was military. There is a tendency to apologize for this and we should not. It is one of the injunctions of the Qur'an that you must fight to spread Islam."
    Dr. Ali Issa Othman, Islamic Scholar
    Well if you will quote and islamic extremist then of course they would say that you twat, here's a christian example James Watt:

    We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand.

    James Watt, Secretary of the Interior under Rondald Reagan. Washington Post, May 24, 1981.
    Notice he is thick, like most extremists and not a valid balanced example to use in a discussion.

    Iraq Body Count is an ongoing human security project which maintains and updates the world’s largest public database of violent civilian deaths during and since the 2003 invasion. The count encompasses non-combatants killed by military or paramilitary action and the breakdown in civil security following the invasion.
    My website i linked shows numbers less than what your logic times critisizes and this is where they say they get their information.
    "Data is drawn from cross-checked media reports, hospital, morgue, NGO and official figures to produce a credible record of known deaths and incidents."

    At least that could be true and is factual whereas you have linked me countelss repotrs written by a person non of it is fact it is oppinion, in reality all the sites we have linked could be false and no i'm no going to research al jazeera the internet is one of the last places i want to take my factual information from none of it is truly credible.

    c8r15 you say my barking rings hollow and i olnly protest what's cool, the Iraq war is the only thing i have ever protested actively in my life, and your barking is equally as hollow as mine we both have diferent oppinions and find the information that backs us up then critisize the others information, neither of us are right, oh and just to jump back to your comment that true jihad is war, you're wrong Greater Jihad is the inner struggle every muslim has to live a good islamic life depending on their intepretation of the Qua'ran, and lesser Jihad is the physichal struggle of war that should only be taken in defense of islam.
    Read this it kinda of bitch slaps your view of what Jihad is and just pokes me for mine, that means we are both wrong however you seem to take the much more extreme view of it whereas mine is slightly more balanced.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/beliefs/jihad_1.shtml
    - HippyBoy October 2, 2010, 6:37 am
    they believed they were Muslim, they killed in the name of Allah.they were Muslim.
    - GothicRoze September 11, 2011, 6:57 am
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    why does it matter so much?

    • BEASTY
    • September 29, 2010, 9:02 am
    It matters because people lost family, friends and neighbors that day. These are innocent people who died in the WTC. It was the worst attack on American soil DIRECTED at Americans.
    - Porsche91109 September 29, 2010, 10:57 am
    there have been thousands of other terrorist attacks in all country's
    and America evidently did something to piss them off..... *cough cough* Mr Bush!
    - BEASTY September 29, 2010, 1:05 pm
    Keep in mind that September 11th happened before we invaded Iraq/Afghanistan.

    And this is called Nationalism. Its the pride in your country, and you mourn the deaths of fellow countrymen who died without a cause.
    - Porsche91109 September 29, 2010, 1:37 pm
    well its not like we can really take pride in our country's America has millions of Mexicans England has Indian,polish et
    - BEASTY September 29, 2010, 1:53 pm
    How exactly does that help your argument that a person or a group of people cant mourn the death of fellow countrymen due to an act of hate, or that it doesnt matter?
    - Porsche91109 September 29, 2010, 1:58 pm
    wow you are truly young and ignorant of the subject if you feel it was bush's fault.
    - johnecash September 29, 2010, 2:23 pm
    allot was Mr Bushes fault :) lets leave it at that
    - BEASTY September 29, 2010, 2:38 pm
    yes a lot was but flying into the world trade center was not his fault. by saying it was his fault you are taking the blame away from religious zealots. blame bush for what he did, not what he didn't do.
    - johnecash September 29, 2010, 2:43 pm
    Just re read my comments and realised i have mistaken you for cr815 who i was arguing with... my bad, deleted the comment, sorry dude.
    - HippyBoy September 30, 2010, 12:20 pm
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