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  • 11

    Someone has to respond to these I guess.
    0. Memes are not arguments.
    1. Ann Coulter is a terrible human being. I am surprised anyone supports her. At best she's an unapologetic racist: "These alleged civil liberties concerns have only one purpose: to give Muslims a cushion for another attack on America. There is no principled basis for opposition to using Arab appearance as a factor in airport screening procedures." Obama, yes, is pro-choice. Which means he believes women have the right to do what they will with their own bodies. He also supported the Matthew Shepherd Hate Crimes Act, the right for same sex couples to marry, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, expanding Pell Grants, etc. He is compassionate in some ways, and not in others. Just like every human being.
    2. Cops have the authority to ask for your idea if they pull you over for a legitimate reason. In Arizona, to which I'm sure you're referring, cops were given the go-ahead to actually pull someone over because they were hispanic. Racism.
    3. "Facebook causes" annoy me too, and they exist on both sides of the aisle. The Catholic Church, yes, feeds people. They also kill millions by refusing to support contraception, therefore expediting the spread of AIDS in Africa and other poor countries. It's a give and take really. Oh, and pedophilia, covering it up, rape... etc.
    4. I would never call a 26 year old murderer a child.
    5. Romney never outlined an economic plan with specifics. Obama has been steadily improving the economy since he got into office.
    6. Obama did not trash the economy, he saved it from a fast-spiraling disaster. His middle class tax cut was the largest in history, and it was intended to provide economic stimulus. It worked.
    7. You can pick and choose ridiculous photos, sure. However, on the overall subject of racism, Republicans lose out in modern America. I mean, Obama is an "A-rab" after all.
    8. I don't think anyone rational claims that you can't own a handgun or that you can't practice religion.
    9. Conspiracy theories? Really?
    10. Obama did improve the economy, he did stop it from getting worse. He also was fighting against the single most obstructionist minority in the history of the United States. Who were even willing to hold the nation's credit rating hostage, which has NEVER happened before, for personal gain. Disgusting.

    I'll respond to the first 10 for now. More later if I get any form of rational response. People other than Johne are welcome to respond too- I would enjoy a new discussion partner. One who is less.... insulting. : ).

    You are so predictable. If you don't want me telling you what an uneducated fool you are, please stay off my post. By the way your president is doing just what I predicted. Insanity, doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.
    - johnecash December 14, 2012, 11:53 am
    Under the arizona law, cops can only check immigration status during a legal stop or detention. And it's not just hispanics that have to prove they are here legally, all races are asked to prove their status.

    Illegal immigration is a problem in the south. For example, an estimated 6.7%(1:15) of the Texas population is illegal. Illegal immigration is a big problem in southern states and that is why they are trying to do something about it.
    - casper667 December 14, 2012, 11:59 am
    It seems you do care about the truth. Please ignore my last post to you. I put you into the same liberal camp as logos. My mistake.
    - johnecash December 14, 2012, 12:04 pm
    Under the second text of the Arizona law, after it was revised due to complaints, are police required to have a primary reason to check immigration status. The first text did not have this provision, and spawned much of the bad blood and "racist" jabs.

    As for Johne, I won't respond to you until you address the content of my post.
    - Logos385 December 14, 2012, 12:21 pm
    Please stop trolling me on my own post. P,ease go look at the facts as they are and not as you want to see them
    - johnecash December 14, 2012, 1:07 pm
    Hahahhaahahahahah you are a sad liberal.
    - Churchill December 16, 2012, 4:23 pm
    Churchill I am happy I am not alone
    - johnecash December 16, 2012, 11:36 pm
    Was there something incorrect about my post? Please, enlighten me : ).
    - Logos385 December 17, 2012, 3:17 pm
    I have seen how you troll others. I have seen you troll this post. Sorry wont give you a chance to troll me.
    - Churchill December 17, 2012, 9:16 pm
    I'm not a troll- I am making legitimate points that many people believe have argumentative merit. If you don't think they do, you are welcome to respond and detail why. That is how a rational discussion works- an exchange about the content being reviewed. That is exactly what I'm looking for.
    - Logos385 December 18, 2012, 3:15 am
    1. Being a fan of logic as you claim to be, your personal opinion of the person does not affect if what they say is true or not. I have noticed how logic only holds up when you want it to, and you throw it out the door when you don't. I find it funny that as a die hard card caring democratic liberal who knows nothing of the world if its not from a liberal point of view, thinks an unborn child has no right. Hey you made it, now its their turn to make it huh. So sad.
    2. Could you fail any more with that piss poor comment? Please look up what you are talking about BEFORE you talk.
    3. This is wonderful, They (The Catholic Church)also kill millions by refusing to support contraception. Where are the church death squads? Is the Pope himself killing these people you are talking about or does he have some sort of Vatican "hit squad" that kills people who use condoms? Just like a liberal, no such thing as personal responsibility if you can blame it on something. Also I love your logic that some of the Church has done bad things so the Church must be bad. That is sound logic. Very similar to saying all atheist want genocide because of Stalin.
    4. Your liberal court system did call him a child. Its not all about you, shocking I know.
    5. Yeah nothing he would have done, nothing, would had been up to your standards. So now we have a president who wants less rich people, not a president who wants less poor people.
    6. Once again you have no idea what you are talking about. Get out of college, get a job, get a mortgage, own a business then well talk. Obama did lower my taxes, I have made about 1/3 less since he came into office so I pay less taxes. Same story for the majority of the country but you are too much of a liberal fool who has no idea what you are talking about to know.
    7. To easy. Keep enjoying the smell of your own farts and thinking they don't stink.
    8. Yes liberals would love that to be true. You may not, but your party does.
    9. How are facts a conspiracy again? oh year you are a liberal and nothing make you more angry than the truth.
    10. good luck with the job. Hows the job market these days? Hows the median income for the US since the Obama has taken office? How are housing prices doing? Your excuses betray you allegiance to your liberal party and not your allegiance to the US. Even when he controls both house and senate, still can't get anything done.

    On a personal note do you have a mental handicap? From what you have to say, how you place double standards it leave me only to conclude that;

    - johnecash December 18, 2012, 10:38 am
    1. "Being a fan of logic as you claim to be, your personal opinion of the person does not affect if what they say is true or not."
    This particular section is completely accurate. However, the original picture argued simply for an opinion being incorrect. The idea was that "liberals" find Ann Coulter to be a "bully" and "mean-spirited" while Obama is "compassionate," and that the creator of the picture disagreed with that assessment- as his opinion. My response was to state my own opinion, back it up with a horrifying quote form Ann Coulter, list compassionate acts Obama has backed, and hold a very brief discussion on Obama being "pro-choice." All of that is a perfectly logical response to an opinion-based attack. As for abortion, while that is far too large of a subject to really discuss here, the issue comes down to personhood, and when that is granted. There is more to a human being than a collection of cells. I, too, oppose late-term abortions in almost every case. I would never support any women I impregnated having an abortion unless her life was threatened- however, I don't believe I can make a blanket statement that in every possible situation abortion is the incorrect course of action. Hence, I am pro-choice, like Obama.

    2. Apologies, I should have said "had" and not "have." That ultimately altered provision caused most of the initial uproar regarding the Arizona legislation.

    3. "This is wonderful, They (The Catholic Church)also kill millions by refusing to support contraception." This is just one of the many ways the Catholic Church damages society. Once again, the Catholic Church does some good, but they also do a substantial amount of bad. As for "some of the Church" doing bad things being equated to applying one bad egg to a whole- your statement just doesn't make sense. The hierarchy of the Church, including the Pope at the time, was involved in a concerted effort to assist child molesters in avoiding prosecution, and by doing so put many more children in harm's way. The leadership of the Catholic Church assisted continued molestation. When an organization undergoes a concerted effort, in the name of the organization, it seems correct to blame that concerted effort on the organization.

    4. Agreeing with you on this, I think we are done with it. He was not a child.

    5. Obama's obvious stated goal is less poor people. He believes part of achieving that is making some of the wealthiest Americans pay the same or more as the rest of America. You may disagree, but questioning his motives is a strange move. Question his economic policy? Sure. But the idea that the President of the United States wants what is the worst for the American people? I doubt it.

    6. "I have made about 1/3 less since he came into office so I pay less taxes." A tax cut and people paying less taxes are two different things. You are refusing to admit that Obama lowered the percentage that Americans making less than $250,000 a year pay in taxes. This is a fact. To deny it is to be illogical. Part of the reason you paid less taxes is because Obama lowered the percentage you had to pay. Furthermore, what happened to "no such thing as personal responsibility if you can blame it on something?"
    7. If it's "too easy," make an argument.
    8. Can you show me when that has been in a party platform? The stated goal of a politician? The action item of a major liberal organization or movement? The idea that there is a war on religion by the left or a war on guns by Obama is ludicrous, and has no supporting evidence. The idea of Church and State separation is and should be fought for, as is the idea that owning a gun shouldn't endanger others. However, with Church and State separation comes freedom of religion, and with gun safety comes gun ownership.

    9. A quote from Fortune Magazine's investigation: "A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust." http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/

    10. "good luck with the job. Hows the job market these days?" I have a job. The job market is actually pretty good in my area, and steadily improving, as a general rule, across the US. Not strictly true for every place in the US, as most sweeping generalities aren't, but the trend holds. "Hows the median income for the US since the Obama has taken office? How are housing prices doing?" As for median income, not super well. Mean income, as in, average income? On a quite encouraging upswing. There have been steady improvements in housing prices nationwide, and Obama addresses that even further in his economic policy. As for Obama and the economy in general- he has absolutely helped it. Unemployment rate is down. Deficit is down from 2009, post-recession. "Even when he controls both house and senate, still can't get anything done." For the last time, check cloture votes. Look back at debt ceiling negotiations. These are the reason why there is a strong movement to remove the filibuster as a legitimate political tactic, even within the senate. It makes Congress not work. Which makes our country not work.

    I was happy you addressed content for once. I was unhappy you resorted to calling me "retarded." That is unnecessary, offensive, uncalled for, and obviously incorrect. Please refrain from personal attack, and stick to content-based argumentation.
    - Logos385 December 18, 2012, 12:46 pm
    I am neither liberal or conservative as i am not American, in the UK i support multiple policies put foward by Labour, The Liberal Democrats and The Green Party however i do not fully support any of these parties and choose to vote for The Monster Raving Looney Party as no single serious political party i personally feel reflects me or my life values fully so i just let them bicker and worry in their own worlds while getting on with my own, happy and joyful life as best i can. http://www.loonyparty.com/loony-archive/2010-general-election-manifesto/.

    In regards to the points put across by Johne and Logos i'd have to err towards logos's view more as Johne all you've really seemed to do is be insulting, rude and headstrong, you say he is blind and a fool yet you haven't really said anything that isn't crass or mostly opinion based now logos is also stating his oppinion and interpretation of factual events but atleast he has been polite and objective whereas, offence intended here, you've been a prize tool who's come across as an ignorant, cattle caressing hick which from our previous conversations i know you are not, diferent political and world views or not anyways much love, be lucky.

    Oh and any political party that actively cares about one of the most harmless groups of people in the world wanting to get married should chill and have a mojito.
    - HippyBoy December 18, 2012, 3:25 pm
    Are you mentally disabled or taking medication?
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 10:24 am
    Kinda funny how you nearly don't argue with people but rather attack them on a personal level.
    - Curuba December 19, 2012, 11:26 am
    Funny how asking if some one is mentally ill is now an insult. I wonder how things might had changed if some one had taken the time to talk to the shooter last friday. But hey, don't want to insult anyone now do we.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 11:38 am
    Matey you're a pleb.
    - HippyBoy December 19, 2012, 3:51 pm
    Please explain.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 3:54 pm
    "my post" this is sharenator a forum dedicated to sharing and discussion the fact that you don't like or agree with what other people are saying is irrelevant either be cordial and discuss or jog on.
    - HippyBoy December 19, 2012, 3:54 pm
    I agree. None the less the good people of this site have made it clear that trolls are not welcome. So if you are here just to start an argument I ask you to stop trolling.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 3:55 pm
    They are not rolling they are disagreeing with the content of your post, if they are trolling they would of just said "olololololol redneck cunt" They have put foward their views i hope you see the difference.
    - HippyBoy December 19, 2012, 4:07 pm
    Your comment of asking Logos if he was mentally ill was clearly meant as an insult or atleast came across as such, you didn't respond with a counter argument you just tried to discredit him with a few lousy sentences, hence in my opinion you were being a pleb.

    pleb

    Actually defined as a member of a despised social class, a commoner, a member of the plebs of ancient Rome. Also low-born, undisinguished, vulgar.
    - HippyBoy December 19, 2012, 4:10 pm
    Oh no you don't like me and yet I'll still sleep well tonight. It's funny you think there are different classes of people. So what class do you think you are and what did you do to earn that place?
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 4:13 pm
    Perhaps pleb was the wrong word, oaf would have been more appropriate, and in my society i am viewed as lower middle class, i was born into this social set however since i have been legally been able to i have worked hard day in day out for below minimum wage until recently when i hit the minimum wage for non-apprentices.

    You and i both will sleep soundly tonight as this is an internet forum if anyone takes what a stranger thousands of miles away says personally they need to get out more and feel the company of either another humans physical/emotional contact or that of some kind of intoxicant be it hiking, rock climbing, nicotine, a big mac, shooting, LSD or heroin etc etc etc.
    - HippyBoy December 19, 2012, 4:22 pm
    Wow, you complain about "name calling", then you do what you are complaining about. It's very amazing when you see hypocrite work as fast as you did. Well done. Still have yet to answer the question about the topic you brought up. What have you done to help the world other than wine on the Internet to strangers on a form, something you disagree with according to your post.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 6:01 pm
    Ad hominem is not helpful, please address the content of my post.
    - Logos385 December 19, 2012, 9:51 pm
    Please use ad hominem correctly or loose what little credibility you have. Now will you answer a fair question or not?
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 10:45 pm
    I have answered that question already, and questions meant as blatant insults hold no argumentative merit.

    "Ad hominem" is replacing a discussion of content with a personal attack. You didn't respond to any content- you insinuated I was mentally ill/unstable. That, Johne, is ad hominem.

    Now, back to the content, please?
    - Logos385 December 20, 2012, 2:20 pm
    Yes please answer the question at hand. For it to be Ad hominem I must attack you. Sorry that a legitimate question is an attack in your eyes but its a fair question. I get that you are so young you think retarded is an insult and not a medical condition. If I told had said you are wrong because you are retarded, that would be Ad hominem. Or if i said Memes are not arguments, that would be ad hominem. But thats not what happened. So my advice kid is if you want to use logic, please understand it and its application first. This is only the most recent example or your ignorance of the application of logic, but not your last I am sure.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 3:23 pm
    The question was clearly meant as an insult, and I've already answered it before.

    If you don't return to the content, I'll be forced to agree with what many keep trying to convince me of: that you are trolling me and I am far too inviting bait.
    - Logos385 December 20, 2012, 6:44 pm
    On what post did you answer it?
    So if I don't do what you want you are threatening to continue your ignorant logic? Funny how your rules don't apply to yourself.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 7:32 pm
    A reply made two full days ago: "I was unhappy you resorted to calling me "retarded." That is... obviously incorrect."

    It's not just doing what I want. It is being willing to discuss the actual content of a post. Why would I continue a discussion with someone who refuses to actually discuss content? This is my final statement until I believe that you are a troll: go back to addressing the content of my arguments, it is the only way rational conversation can progress. Thank you.
    - Logos385 December 20, 2012, 10:40 pm
    Now you are trying to change the game where you decide what questions are acceptable. I have answered you ludicrous question so now you should answer mine. Please come down from your high horse and realize that even you make mistakes, and have so here.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 11:24 pm
    Our hats are off to you. I wish I could speak for all of us in saying that you deserve a medal
    - Fusefire January 18, 2013, 11:36 pm
    I do not attack people as much as I don't have tolerance for fools, no matter how polite.
    - johnecash January 29, 2013, 9:05 pm
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    Conservatives: making broad, all encompassing statements based on made up facts and skewed statistics and whatever else they can come up with ... or is that a liberal thing too? I don't even know where to start with this post.

    Edit: I was going to make comments on most of these but whats the point, you're defending Ann Coulter so you clearly can't be reasoned with. To anyone looking at these "facts" PLEASE to some research, find out the real facts, don't fall into the "it's a conspiracy because I say so" trap. I think you'll be surprised how many of these "liberal" wrongs were committed by the conservatives.

    Nice troll. If you disagree please state your liberal case. But I can already tell where this is going.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 8:13 pm
    I don't consider myself to be a liberal or conservative, I look at an issue and base my decision on all the info and hope others will do the same. It's foolish to be a completely close minded to others opinions and to be a 100% left or right minded person regardless of the facts presented. I agree with some of the things you've posted here and disagree with others (based on the info available), simple as that. Too close to the holidays to get worked up over an internet post lol, Merry Christmas to you and your's.
    - tempfaux December 19, 2012, 10:33 pm
    I can agree with that. I am happy you have taken a 180 on your entire point
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 10:43 pm
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    #25 What are hampsters?
    #27 So you are point? Huh?
    #44 Was my response to most of this really.

    jokes were bad

    25 look it up.
    27 some times either you get it or you don't. Liberals call big oil greedy yet don't complain about what the Obamanation is doing to you
    44 I have seen liberals on this site say that.
    The worst joke of them all is the president.
    - johnecash December 14, 2012, 1:05 pm
    I still don't get how i am point? :(
    - MalverdeAl100 December 19, 2012, 6:11 pm
    .??????
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 6:15 pm
    shes taunting the misuse of you're instead of the correct your.
    - serpentrepent December 19, 2012, 9:09 pm
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  • 3

    Apparently you pissed off some liberal and got downrated. I, on the other hand, quite enjoyed the post. It's sad how most of these are right on the ball.

    Most of the kids on this site think being liberal is "cool". They will grow out of it once they grow up. Then there are the die hard liberals. These people are very sad. These people vote for whats best for them, not whats best for the country. These people want the country to take care of them, not take care of them self. I missed the days when liberals would say, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
    - johnecash December 14, 2012, 9:43 am
    Amen, brother!
    - CallMeGoogle December 14, 2012, 6:39 pm
    Please watch as the crazy liberals try and spin the truth.
    - johnecash December 14, 2012, 7:07 pm
    Use facts and logic in a debate with them and watch them heat up and explode. :p
    - CallMeGoogle December 15, 2012, 5:21 pm
    I love watching liberals try and deny the truth. Logos is a wonderful example of a liberal spin doctor.
    - johnecash December 15, 2012, 9:13 pm
    Looks like the liberals on this site are scared of the truth and are trying to bury this post. They are so predictable and sad.
    - johnecash December 16, 2012, 4:21 pm
    Yup. And unfortunately my +3 is no longer helpful since they downrate. Any means possible to keep the public blind, I guess.
    - CallMeGoogle December 17, 2012, 12:10 am
    I do find that happens a lot. Liberals only want their message to get out. The truth means nothing to these people. All they care about is how they can get money from the government.
    - johnecash December 17, 2012, 12:19 am
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  • 3

    I'm just gona sit back, watch the flame war, and wait for the day that "liberals" and "conservatives" burn this country to ash. Then the actually intelligent people who have common sense and don’t follow the herd will make this place something everyone can be proud of.

    • DJ9090
    • December 14, 2012, 2:15 pm
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    Hey johne i just want to say that simply because people are disagreeing with you with these ideas doesn't mean that they are liberals or forcing some liberal agenda. some of these people are saying these things because the far right of politics is literally batshit insane (especially when it comes to science and environmental issues along with religion in politics)
    i also don't agree with many people in thinking you have to be one party or the other. simply because many of my views fall more in line with liberal view points doesn't mean that i am liberal. it simply means that at this moment in time they represent best what i feel in a general sense. i would vote republican on some laws if i thought they would be beneficial to the country but at the moment i don't see many of such laws.
    the fact is that liberal views are very encompassing of all the people and their rights in the United states at the moment. they represent equality among the people and for that reason have earned the votes of people. the parties platforms have changed dramatically over the past few decades so while historically the republican party did stand for equality the track record of the party has shifted to a different stance. for this reason people have begun to vote democrat, they see the changes in the parties and have chosen to change parties based on political stances.
    republicans have made scapegoats of many people and as they have been in power for so long i feel that it was a change in parties was needed and justified when obama took office. giving him a chance to finish what he started is a more than sensible thing to do considering that republicans are more concerned with getting power back than they are with passing laws that could benefit people.
    now let me be clear i don't like either party fully. many democrats are just as bad as hard right republicans. but the difference is that many use facts and support what they say with evidence that is coming from what i believe is unbiased sources (the election results were very telling of this considering the freakouts on fox when they realized they were wrong.) that being said i choose to vote for those people who are honest with us. but had i been given the chance i would have rather voted in intellectuals from different job fields to take on issues related to what they studied. (science board in congress is a perfect example of letting idiots run important parts of congress with no real reason to put them in those positions.) honestly i think what is really needed is to get people with real life experiences into office rather than people who don't understand what they are doing. and for those positions that are to complicated for anyone field (such as president) i feel we need to vote one the person who not only has the best policies for the economy but also the best polices when it comes to other issues (again the environment, but foreign polices, human rights, etc.) and surrounds themselves with people and advisers who will provide them best possible information to them with real facts and studies.
    for this reason i voted obama as i believe he does surround himself with better people than mitt did and overall had better policies. but it is also the reason i would have voted for scott brown (who didn't win) rather than Elizabeth warren who i didn't feel would be a better choice. (i was iffy on her due to a lack of knowledge about her polices and had felt that under scott brown we were doing fairly well, but due to this lack of information chose not to vote on either)
    overall i think this post is a spiteful and stereotypical view on politics and quiet frankly i think it skews the views of a party that is in danger of imploding should their polices not change or refuse to negotiate with the president at hand. people have begun to see through these ideas and are showing it in the polls and at the voting booth. i think it's time for republicans to get it together and allow some sort of change to come over their party, because in truth we still need them. i like having conservatives as a part of our political system as it holds in check the liberal views. but when one side refuses to cooperate the system falls apart. i hope that republicans see this and give some leeway to the ideas of the president this time. if they do fuck up (and your betting they will) then you can shout and point all you'd like and we can return to the polices of the past. if however they do in fact work ( as i myself am betting they will) then we can simply shrug it off live better lives as one people and move on to the next issue. there is no need for this blame game that has become so prominent in our culture. to be frank it's sickening. my hope is that one day we can forget about party lines and just vote for the benefit of the people. that's the American goal and dream. and thats what we as a people should be trying to work for.

    So far you have been respectful with your post so you shall have a response that follows your lead. Your post is too long for me to properly respond to at this moment so I will only respond to one part. People think the republicans are anti science. I will let my good friend Dr Tyson respond to that accusation for me. Please watch the clip for some eye opening facts that no liberal ever brings up. http://youtu.be/x7Q8UvJ1wvk

    I give you plus one for raising good points. I will warn you I have little to no patience for when people go from smart to stupid.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 12:25 pm
    Extremest on either side are crazy. When it comes to science and the environment I think Dr. Tyson answered that one for me. http://youtu.be/x7Q8UvJ1wvk
    Liberal and conservative are not parties, they are a way of thinking. Democrat and republican are parties.
    Many think the party lines have shifted. That the republicans were once the champion of freedom and democrats are the champion of government oppression. The fact of the matter is they have NOT changed. The republican party still wants a small government that protects your freedom and allows you to work. The democrats still want a large government, a government that will take away your rights one at a time. Don't believe me? Go get a Coke in NY City. There are many more examples. The democrats are for government control, Republicans are for Citizens having the control.
    I find it interesting you say the republicans have made scapegoats of many people. My only question to that would be how many times during this current presidency have you seen the democrats use G.W. Bush as a scapegoat.
    When it comes to Obamacare, I can agree that what Obama is doing, he thinks its whats best for the people, just another example of how democrats want more government control. . My question for you who do you think can run your life better, you or the government?
    "many democrats are just as bad as hard right republicans. but the difference is that many use facts and support what they say with evidence that is coming from what i believe is unbiased sources (the election results were very telling of this considering the freakouts on fox when they realized they were wrong.)" The democrats are known for a lot of things, using facts has never been one of them.
    This post is spiteful. How long will you let some one be a hypocrite before you become spiteful towards them? My family has been apart of this country since before day 1. I am a 5th generation combat vet who is very spiteful that the country I love, the country that I have bled for, the country I have fought for is going down the crapper because a certain group of people have figured out a way to vote them self more money. Now one of the founding fathers warned us of just this.

    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic. - Benjamin Franklin

    As a small business owner, and employer of 12 people I can tell you this. Obama has made my life more difficult. Every year since he has taken office my company has made less. But hey according to him, I didn't build it.

    I now must ask you, are negotiations a one way street, or do both parties have to negotiate in order to find common ground? You see in the real world if only one party has to give in, its not a negotiation, they are demands. You say the Republicans must give in. From where I site under the assumption that they should be NEGOTIATING, they both must give in to find common ground. Something the current president has promises to do, buy has yet to do. He is the leader of the free world, if only he would act like it. If only President Obama would do what he promised the people.
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    Aren't the old time racist ones a bit unfair? Back in those times, the political parties (D and R) had opposite viewpoints than the ones they do now and the republicans were more liberal whereas the democrats were more conservative. It was not until after the civil rights movement that the republican party started appealing more to the southern conservative states (even Texas was all democrat until the 70-80's) and the democratic party started shifting towards liberalism to appeal to northern states.

    Yes it is unfair that the party that championed freeing the slaves and removing jim crow laws is now being shunned by the very people they helped. The liberal mind does not remember history very well, only who is going to give them free stuff.
    - johnecash December 14, 2012, 11:07 am
    That would be unfair if the 2 parties had not switched their platforms, but freeing the slaves and removing jim crow laws were liberal/progressive ideas (as republicans were liberal back then).

    The conservative democrats were the ones who backed discriminatory legislation, and these people changed to republican after the democratic party shifted towards liberalism. That is why minorities are often liberal nowadays as liberals were responsible for challenging slavery and jim crow laws whereas conservatives backed discriminatory legislation.
    - casper667 December 14, 2012, 11:26 am
    Ahhh you must be a liberal. That explains your spinning of the truth to fit your outlook as a liberal. None the less the facts are the facts.
    - johnecash December 14, 2012, 11:30 am
    Not a liberal, just not an idiot. The facts are the republicans were a liberal party when they freed the slaves up until recently when they became conservative.
    - casper667 December 14, 2012, 11:40 am
    You see freedom is now and always has been a keystone to the republicans. Just as government control and regulation are keystones to being democrats and liberal. On this matter the republicans have not changed, nor have the democrats. So spin it how you like, the facts don't change or lie.
    - johnecash December 14, 2012, 11:46 am
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    Um, hello? I'd rather not have people insult a lot of my beliefs and mix some crazy ones up in there too...
    Why do you guys hate us so much?
    I don't hate anybody... I think all beliefs and opinions should be respected, not slandered like this. :(

    Are you truly trying to say liberals are slander free? Ever pic on here is the truth.
    - johnecash December 15, 2012, 9:11 pm
    I personally disagree, but alright. Whatevs.
    - pandakeen December 15, 2012, 10:47 pm
    What do you disagree with?
    - johnecash December 16, 2012, 9:33 am
    That every pic on here is the truth.
    - pandakeen December 16, 2012, 7:25 pm
    They are all the truth my liberal friend. I am sorry if political agenda keep you from seeing the truth as is. I am truly sorry for you.
    - johnecash December 16, 2012, 11:34 pm
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    I don't fancy myself part of either side of a criminal political picket fence, but no less, I do hold a bit more distain for Democrats. Every time I attempt to talk about economics with any of them, it boils down to 'Robin Hood' antics of 'taking from the greedy rich to give to the poor.

    That only works in a monarchy or imperialistic system where the rich were just 'given' their wealth. No effort required. This is commercial business now. Those 'Greedy CEOs' built and earned their money.

    Its sad that this country will punish you for doing well, and pay you for not even trying. Have you ever noticed that the welfare is full of democrats? I love how they say Obama killed osama bin laden, but bush killed the economy. When its good Obama did it, when its bad it was not Obama's fault. I truly do think due to the hypocrisy of liberals and how much they love the smell of their own farts, they are text book retarded. It makes me wonder do they understand capitalism at all?

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    These are my stances. I am pro choice, if the child's life will be plagued by a disability such as severe retardation or a birth defect that will cause any suffering I'd hate myself for denying the mother choice to prevent that suffering to occur. At the same time though if it was simply because the mother didn't want it I would find it selfish and ask her to consider adoption.
    I am for gay marriage, who am I to deny the happiness of others simply because I don't agree with it?
    I am for smaller government. The government is too big for it's own good, many areas have become redundant, nothing gets done because when one department says yes another says no, and our economy has suffered as a result of too much involvement.
    I am very pro gun, why disarm the many because of the actions of the few? Will it really truly solve the problem or will it reduce the severity of the problem and exacerbate the severity of another? I am also in favor of allowing citizen ownership of fully automatic weapons made past 1986. Still require the tax stamp, various security protocols, and license but allow them to be purchased at market value.
    I am pro legalization of cannabis, it has such versatility as an industrial product so why not allow people to enjoy for recreational use as well.
    I am for giving companies tax incentives to have at least 60% of their jobs in the US, I believe that is the true way to improve our economy not taxing them more.
    I am for renewable energy as well nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is much safer than it was 30 years ago, it is more environmentally friendly than many of our methods, and it is more efficient than solar and wind will ever be. We also need to look into alternative fuel sources, we can create all the fuel we need from algae for much cheaper than drilling and much more environmentally friendly as an added bonus.
    Man feels good getting that out of my system, sorry for basically vomiting my political views I just felt the need to get them out there.

    I don't think any sane person would disagree. Other than the abortion part. Children have rights too. A child should never be killed due to not wanting it at the moment. Now you ask what is a child to me? If it has a heart beat its a child.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 3:50 pm
    I agree that if you don't want it then put it up for adoption it would be selfish to abort it in that situation, but I would be a hypocrite if I was for it in one situation and against it in another.
    - triclebickle December 19, 2012, 5:26 pm
    It's not just selfish, depending on how far along she is, it's murder.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 5:29 pm
    Really not sure why you're being downrated, but for the most part I agree.
    - triclebickle December 19, 2012, 6:21 pm
    I don't deal we'll with stupidity and no one holds a grudge like a liberal. If it were up to the liberals only liberal news would be reported.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 6:24 pm
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    At first, we were surprised to see such an obvious tinderbox post.
    However we then saw the name Johnecash. You were bored again, weren't you Johne?

    • Dawn
    • December 19, 2012, 1:43 pm
    We are Just tired of the slackers of this wonderful country blaming everyone but them self. We are watching the country we love fall apart due to the people asking the country what it can do for them, not what they can do for the country.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 3:46 pm
    Honestly we always have trouble trying to decide where you are serious and where you are an ass because it's what's fun to you.
    This however is one of the rare times we're siding with serious, and can completely understand. We're not going to get further involved in this post or the debates springing from it.
    - Dawn December 19, 2012, 5:08 pm
    We never mind honest comments like you just posted. That being said if we disagree we will say as much.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 5:11 pm
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    I love this post. Great job johnecash

    Thank you. I am happy to see that some on this site are not as crazy as most.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 10:47 pm
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    personally i dont care if you're republican, democrat, liberal or conservative. if you can keep america free and at least remove the debt, you're just fine in my book. even for a politician.

    • MIKYTEY
    • December 20, 2012, 11:04 am
    I could not agree more. Sadly the liberal democrats, and the president who has a bigger debt than all other presidents combined) feel the government is here to give them free stuff, thus making the debt all the worse. What the democrats don't understand is nothing is free, and something must always be paid for. Ask yourself. Are you for larger or smaller government? are you for a government who has more power over you, or would you like to have the power over the government.

    To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it. - Thomas Jefferson

    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson

    The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. - Thomas Jefferson

    Most bad government has grown out of too much government. - Thomas Jefferson
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 11:12 am
    i'd prefer if people didn't just try to justify what they do with the simple statement, "the constitution doesn't say i cant." of course not! the constitution isn't a complete guideline for common sense, morality, or fairness. it's a basic structure of rules that were made to ensure, with the HELP OF common sense, morality, and fairness, the people remain free of excessive oppression.
    - MIKYTEY December 22, 2012, 11:20 am
    Morals and fairness are nothing you want to dictate. It's not moral to cheat on your wife, lie to you best friend, or not to worship or not worship the god/s of your choice. The government had no business in the morality of my life. I also feel perfect equality is not possible. There will always be rich, poor, male, female, fat, skinned, smart, dumb, gifted, retarded, tall, skort, well fed and hungry people thus making us DIFFRENT and UNIQUE. Please see the short story http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron for a better perspective.
    - johnecash December 22, 2012, 12:04 pm
    not sure if you misunderstood part of my post or you're agreeing or i'm just lost...
    - MIKYTEY December 22, 2012, 6:07 pm
    I am agreeing with you in my own "special" way.
    - johnecash December 22, 2012, 6:17 pm
    ahh...
    - MIKYTEY December 22, 2012, 6:28 pm
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    I love this point most of it is on point something terrible +3

    • Kodi93
    • December 21, 2012, 1:53 am
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    Oh, and most of these aren't liberal logic, they are retard logic. big difference

    Not sure what the difference is there.i use the two names to talk about people like yourself.
    - johnecash December 21, 2012, 7:35 pm
    Said the biggest retard on Sharenator #trololololololololol
    - Dragkyre December 26, 2012, 10:20 am
    Seems like you need to put some creme on your but, you seem to be very but hurt today.
    - johnecash December 26, 2012, 10:30 am
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    I'm just gonna Stay out of this one...

    • BEASTY
    • December 26, 2012, 5:07 pm
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    Republican Party in Germany -→ Nazis

    • Curuba
    • December 19, 2012, 11:22 am
    Then there is this guy, thanks for trolling! :)
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 11:36 am
    How is that trolling?
    Just a fact.
    - Curuba December 19, 2012, 1:04 pm
    It's a fact that the Republican Party are nazis or that you are trolling?
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 3:47 pm
    Well, you did pretty much equate the KKK with liberals so yeah... I'd say that's a little
    bit offensive.
    - Fusefire December 19, 2012, 4:45 pm
    That is how the liberal mind works, or how it does not work.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 5:55 pm
    No that the german Republican Party is a bunch of nazis.
    - Curuba December 19, 2012, 6:00 pm
    Do you know what a nazi is?
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 6:15 pm
    Of course I do. And I am sorry if you don't want to believe me but it's a fact.
    Maybe you would rather call them neo-nazis
    - Curuba December 20, 2012, 5:35 am
    So how long have these "Neo-Nazis" been sending the Jew to concentration camps? Are the jew being marked again or having to wear clothing to identify them as jews? Has France surrendered yet? If you can't answer yes to all of these, they are not Nazis.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 9:27 am
    So to be a nazi you have to do all that? That's new to me.
    So just to get it straight. If you want to be catholic you have to start Crusades, Burn Witches and go to Africa in order to missionize the locals?

    There are a couple of radical right-wing partys in Germany. They are Nazis (short for Nationalsozialist - national socialist). It's just hard to prove and then ban them since they are sneaky little scumbags who try everything to seem legal. But that doesn't make them any different from the original Nazis (maybe a little more stupid).
    There are partys like the NPD, the All-German Bloc/League of Expellees and Deprived of Rights and the Republicans. All dirty little nazis.

    Don't try to be a smartass about my own countries History and political Situation you little arrogant *****.
    - Curuba December 20, 2012, 10:21 am
    So much fail. You don't even know the history of your own country. I thought the schools were better than that, or are you just a bad student?
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 11:03 am
    Tell me great johne. Where exactly am I wrong?
    - Curuba December 20, 2012, 11:11 am
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    Ok, I guess I'll post my beliefs on this. Democrats and Republicans suck. Period end of discussion. When someone agrees with a party so hard it limits ability to disagree with them.
    Yes there are those people in each party that disagree with others example ron paul, However with the way it is its whoever is the loudest that usually decides what the party believes. Then everyone else has to agree with them. Why not just pick issue by issue and get rid of parties and live life. I don't believe anyone should agree with everything a party says. If you do then there is probably something wrong with you, or your a mindless drone. That said I feel these types of posts and talks like this don't help change anyone if that's what you're trying to do. Although looking at other comments and such I'm not sure many people understand this. Its basically like watching two rams butt heads to see who wins.

    This post isn't really about political parties. It's poking fun at the ridiculousness and hypocrisy that most liberals "stand" by. Liberalism and conservatism are ideologies and philosophies. These ideologies are not hogtied to a set party. Yes, most republicans tend to sway more towards the conservative side and democrats towards the liberal, but that isn't always the case.
    - CallMeGoogle December 20, 2012, 3:20 am
    I could not had said it better myself.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 9:28 am
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    This would be more respectable if retorts didn't consist largely of the logical fallacy of bypassing the main argument and irrelevantly attacking the person and not what they're arguing.

    • Bekenel
    • December 20, 2012, 11:20 am
    Say something smart, you will get a smart retort. Be a fool, and get a fools answer.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 11:22 am
    Johnes opinion: smart
    other opinion: fool
    - Curuba December 20, 2012, 2:25 pm
    Yes my opinion smart.
    Your opinion of what a nazi is, fool.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 3:25 pm
    Again I ask you. How so?
    - Curuba December 20, 2012, 3:36 pm
    If you read, it has already been answered.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 3:43 pm
    Sorry I can't find it. Please write it again.
    - Curuba December 20, 2012, 3:51 pm
    Give a man a fish he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish he eats for a life time. Sorry I am not going to give it to you. It's here on the post. It was a reply to your post. Are you so lazy you can't scroll to find your own post?
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 4:01 pm
    Ah you mean that.
    You really think people can only be nazis if they do that stuff?
    Being a nazi scumbag isn't about what you do.
    It's a totally messed up way of thinking.
    - Curuba December 20, 2012, 4:12 pm
    No my friend. In life you are not judged by what you say. It's what you do that defines you.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 4:23 pm
    That is bullshit.
    - Curuba December 20, 2012, 4:30 pm
    No matter how hard you believe that, it does not change the truth.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 4:33 pm
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    Johne, Google.... take your bullshit somewhere else, you're both just being arrogant cunts, both your heads reach so far up your own asses they come out up top and rest comfortably on your neck and shoulders. You douchebags always complain about everything, you need to shit down, shut the fuck up, and deal with it, you know, practice what you preach. "liberals this" "liberals that" Next thing you'll tell me is liberals all go to hell, at which point I will deem you insane, and mentally challenged. I can think of 2 reasons why you're so butthurt, still getting over your asshat poster boy losing the presidency, or one of the "liberals" on here hurt your feelings, Pick one, you douche.

    I love watching but hurt liberals get mad :-D thanks for letting me know how easy it is to push your buttons. As always facts set liberals off.
    - johnecash December 21, 2012, 7:34 pm
    Not butt hurt at all, just pointing out the fact, you call liberals butthurt, but you're the one acting like a right cunt. Sure liberals aren't perfect, and neither are you, I'd rather be "butthurt" than be hated by the rest of the world
    - Dragkyre December 21, 2012, 7:39 pm
    Too bad you are just but hurt and respected by no one. Though I do love your typical liberal response. That is to complain about something that you are doing. Liberal logic 101.
    - johnecash December 21, 2012, 8:27 pm
    Respect? Internet? Let me get this straight, you think I care about anyone on the internet? or if the respect me? I care more about the starving Ethiopian kids than I do about being respected on the internet (and I don't give a shit about starving Ethiopian children) Again, you just assume I'm a liberal, Anyone that doesn't have your opinions is an idiot right? Typical Fundie Logic
    - Dragkyre December 26, 2012, 10:23 am
    No anyone, just you. If you didn't care, you would not respond.
    - johnecash December 26, 2012, 10:28 am
    I don't care, just enjoy seeing you waste time feeding trolls
    - Dragkyre December 26, 2012, 6:41 pm
    So you admit to being a troll. Plus one for being honest.
    - johnecash December 29, 2012, 10:38 am
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    By-partisan B.S. if you ask someone with a real head on their shoulders. Quit dogging on "Liberals" and "Conservatives". Liberal and Conservative ways of thinking are peoples own opinions and thoughts. Neither way is wrong, just different. Democrats and Republicans on the other hand. Let's drop that, it doesn't do anyone any good when the country is split between two different parties. We need to come together, compromise, and realize what needs to be done. In order for things to work, we need to adapt and take on both ways. Oh! Abortion and guns aren't going away either, so deal with it. Yeah, aborting life isn't a pleasant thought, but unless you're getting one, it's not your problem. Period. Now, I'm a registered Independent, but I'd much rather see someone like..Ron Paul in office over freakin Obama. I don't like Obama, screw Mitt Romney, I hated Bush, and would kill Regan..things don't get much better from their. Kennedy was about the only one worth a crap in the past century, but hey. We kill those kind of people don't we?
    Common Sense people, use it.

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    hahah oh you guys, why can't we be friends....


    19828553 - liberal logic 101

    This post is not dissing on other countries. We can be if you truly believe.
    - johnecash December 29, 2012, 11:10 am
    Never intended that you were dissing on other countries, the 'muricans joke was aimed at the fact that you're all getting so riled up with each other :P
    - poopiteepoop December 29, 2012, 8:41 pm
    In your eyes is it best to stand for something or fall for anything?
    - johnecash December 29, 2012, 9:59 pm
    It was only a small joke, please forgive me
    - poopiteepoop January 2, 2013, 4:10 am
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    http://www.sharenator.com/Conventional_Logic_Vs_Religious_Logic/

    you switched a few words around and did it a lot to make fun of a group of people. I bet you feel GREAT.

    Not sure what your point is. Please feel free to reword your post.
    - johnecash January 28, 2013, 6:11 pm
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    Johnecash, I don't see why you have to be so rude because people have a different opinion than you. This isn't a new age nazi regime. Let people be different. Just because they don't agree with every single point you spew at, doesn't mean they are bad people. Also, this does not make me a liberal so do not bash at me just because I'm not kneeling at your feet and calling you a God. I an entitled to my opinions as you are to yours. Stop arguing like a child and DO something about things you feel so strongly against, rather than making posts on the internet about it.

    When did I imply in any way shape or form that I must be called a God? If you want to tell some one they argue like a child, don't act like a child and put words in their mouth.
    - johnecash January 28, 2013, 6:15 pm
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    By the way, you kind of sound like a member of the Westboro Church. I bet I will see a post about picketting funerals and such.

    In one post you complain about being rude and in the next you accuse me of being in WBC. So far what you have shown me is that you are a butt hurt liberal who can't live by the standards he applies on others.or as the rest if the world calls you, liberal. Well done not arguing like a child, it really helped with your point.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 7:36 pm
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    I can't give enough points to this post!! I was recently in bootcamp and just from the time I left til the time I've come home for Christmas I can tell a lot has changed. If you really want to notice the change, stop paying attention for six months, you'll see what the Democrats are doing to this country. Obviously I'm a republican. Gen. Mattis for president!! To bad that will never happen :(

    • exile
    • December 18, 2012, 4:26 pm
    It's amazing how often servicemen are not dumb enough to be liberal.
    - johnecash December 18, 2012, 5:25 pm
    Have any of you sat back and thought maybe the whole world is having a hard time of it at this point in time and not just "America" which i hasten to add is the youngest and most ignorant country that seems to believe it will matter in the future while you're all bickering and blaming scapegoats rather than banding together and aiming for the "stars", i know people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and Britain is far from perfect but atleast we don't dedicate our time to be whiney single minded bitches on interenet forums.
    What are you doing to make a positive difference exactly?

    And of course servicemen are less likely to be liberal it is your job to mainly act on orders of someone who is of a "higher" rank regardless of their qualities as a person, i'm not saying this is a negative aspect but i am saying it is an unbalanced one.
    - HippyBoy December 19, 2012, 4:00 pm
    What have I done to make this country a better place? Well in the past I served 5 years of my life in the armed services. Before I left for my 2nd tour started a small real estate appraisal firm that still employs 12 people, all with health care I pay for. I am a big brother to inner city children. Oh and the United Way program I am on the board of just raised enough Christmas gifts to make sure 512 children will have something for Christmas. Tonight after work from 6-10 ill be selling Christmas trees for the sertoma club. Thank you for asking. What have you done to make the world or just a single hungry child live in a better world? Your comment on the military makes no sense by the way.

    Almost forgot I also do work for the Ronald McDonald house and the Boy Scouts.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 4:10 pm
    Well then you have tried to make your country a better place, kudos to you johne, seriously.
    I'd have to say serving for 5 years in the military, at least to me does not constitute helping your country as since WW2 we haven't fought a war for reasons that have been just or honestly portrayed by any government thus making them solely evil and selfish conflicts fought by honest men on behalf of intelligent, greedy, back-handed, cowards, again in my opinion please don't attack me for my opinion it is merely that no more correct or incorrect than yours.

    And my comment on the millitary was ment to illustrate that someone who is trained to act on command rahter than question or think "freely" in times of hardship or great strain is going to prefer the political views of someone who is more "hardline" and "direct"
    - HippyBoy December 19, 2012, 4:18 pm
    Your comment on the military shows how little you understand about the military and what they are looking for. While I can not speak for your military in general, they might want the mindless drones you speak of, the Royal Marines I fought with we're anything but brainless.
    I also asked you a question? What have you done to help out?

    Your other opinion is sad. The people who fight for YOUR freedom are heroes each and every one. I think you are confusing the politicians with the military. Hey man I enjoy a good smoke as much as anyone, but put the bong down and clear out your system once in a while so that from time to time you may think straight.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 4:24 pm
    I haven't smoked cannabis for years but thank you for the life advise bro. Next time tell me to put down the hard alcohol who knows i might listen for once.

    And no they are not heroes fighting for my freedom they are heroes fighting for the man or woman beside them, but they do not fight for me i or my freedom are not threatened by the "terrorists" in Afghanistan anymore than i was or am by the "terrorists" in Ireland right next door, as i understand it from speaking to the few royal engineers and servicemen and women i know we are currently in Afghan as we now have a huge airbase near iran, camp bastion, just incase it kicks off.

    I did not call any servicemen or women "brainless" i called them "direct" and "hardline" which in my experience they are, my use of the word freely may have been overly harsh however the ability to follow orders to the letter can and is necesary as i understand in the millitary.

    Now johne instead of belittling people and being a general obnoxious douche how about you educate them instead of just causing arguments, anyways i'm done as always it is a stimulating pleasure to debate with you my friend, much love be lucky.
    - HippyBoy December 19, 2012, 4:33 pm
    So no answer to how you have tried to help the world. And please excuse me if I take your "experience " with a grain of salt.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 4:37 pm
    Life's not a competion bud and by all means do a fook i give not.

    Now for something completely different here's some german ragga jungle.
    - HippyBoy December 19, 2012, 4:39 pm
    No it's not a competition. For that to happen you must have done something for someone other than yourself. Also I love how you say Britain has no windy people who post on the net. You don't even know your own people.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 4:43 pm
    I say we as in people i care about and value their oppinion the majority of british people are grade a wank socks.
    - HippyBoy December 19, 2012, 4:44 pm
    Since you brought up doing something g to make the world a better place I am still waiting I. Your reply to your topic. You said it was a competition, not me.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 5:01 pm
    I know this can be difficult for you to understand but this is a post about the US, not your country. And Hess the US will matter a lot in our life time. To say otherwise is the words of a fool.
    - johnecash December 19, 2012, 6:18 pm
    Johne all i have done is state my opinion why must you always try and start a fight by being condescending and giving people short shrift, i never said it was a competition, i said "Life's not a competion bud and by all means do a fook i give not." and if you feel that the more you help the needy then the better person you are then fine i'd have to agree, that doesn't give you the right to slander other people, i don't care if you've done charity work or that you served for the millitary all these good, kind and decent things you've done don't change the fact you have a shitty personality who would rather attack other peoples beliefs and pick up on their mistakes rather than discusss it with them civilly.

    Anyways can't tell if you're the worlds best troll or just a nob, all the best, goodbye.
    - HippyBoy December 20, 2012, 8:18 am
    You say " youngest and most ignorant country that seems to believe it will matter in the future " then you say not trying to start a fight. I wonder if you even know what you are saying at a times. Once again I have yet to say anything about any type of competition, those are your words on a topic you brought up. I do love how when I say something you don't agree with I am slandering other people. When you say something I don't agree with, "All you have done is state your opinion." As always your argument is a hypocritical joke that does not place the same rules on your self, as you do others.
    I know you think your self better than the rest of us, better than myself. Well you are no better and must live by the same rules you expect others to live by.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 9:24 am
    Awesome.
    - HippyBoy December 20, 2012, 10:27 am
    You think its awesome to be a hypocrite? I am not surprised.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 10:29 am
    Eh not in the mood to argue today, sorry.
    - HippyBoy December 20, 2012, 10:31 am
    Yet here you are arguing. FYI, the best way not to argue is to not engage in the first place, then again you think its awesome to be a hypocrite.
    - johnecash December 20, 2012, 10:34 am
    get your head out of your ass hippy boy.
    People like you are whats wrong with this world!
    - kaBjj101 December 22, 2012, 8:07 pm
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