Karma Strikes Again
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Posted: 2011-10-20 16:37:58
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Seeing as I don't believe in an after life good thing he got hit with a mother fucking bus, hope he spent the moments before death writhering in agony.
Perhaps, but statistics will show you it's not a crime deterrent. Not to mention you then have to judge what crimes are deserving of a death penalty to begin with. Serial killers who are proven guilty, without any doubt could be deserving. Theft, drug offenses and petty crimes are not.
the prisoners get better food than american soldiers, they do not have to pay for healthcare we do(its cheap but still). so if there is essentially no deterrent from prison or death i vote the cheaper route. if you kill someone, you die. if you rape someone, you die. if you steal something worth more than the ammo, you die. simplicity at its finest. want crime rates to go down? kill the offenders and release the bodies to the families. that way they cant go back and do the same thing once their sentence is up.
I...Don't even know where to start about how cold-hearted and fucked up this paragraph is...Do you even have a speck of humanity?
People will commit crimes when they lack options. Does a man deserve to die for stealing, when he can't feed himself otherwise? (Keep in mind how bad the US economy is.) Better options deter crime, not brutality. Your idea of sending the bodies back is just away to arouse anger. (If you had a parent or sibling put to death for a petty crime, how would you react? Especially if the evidence wasn't conclusive?) From a human living in the year 2011, I'd expect something a bit less draconian, you know?
People will commit crimes when they lack options. Does a man deserve to die for stealing, when he can't feed himself otherwise? (Keep in mind how bad the US economy is.) Better options deter crime, not brutality. Your idea of sending the bodies back is just away to arouse anger. (If you had a parent or sibling put to death for a petty crime, how would you react? Especially if the evidence wasn't conclusive?) From a human living in the year 2011, I'd expect something a bit less draconian, you know?
this coming from a guy with a dragon as his avatar...(T'was a joke)
but seriously, seeing how the whole pacifistic/sympathetic/empathetic thing has worked out i think my idea is a bit better right now. if we cut 10 federal prisons completely do you know how many millions we as taxpayers would save IF the government cut our taxes in direct relativity to the overall taxed population vs the cost removed? and if they didnt cut it and we were still paying the same in taxes guess where the money could go. into PREVENTIVE PROGRAMS to slow or stop crime at least by a small margin before it happened? or maybe thats too idealistic. lets say the money went into roads or even *gasp* education. i'd think the world or even us a country would be better off. just think how much the upkeep is for 500 people (housing, heating, cooling, running water, food, etc.) now, there are over 1000 people per prison (at least)now multiply by 10 and see how much we would save. i think rationally, if my humanity suffers then i guess humanity is overrated.
(i cant wait for my next -1)
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In FY 2011, the BOP(bureau of prisons) is requesting a total of $6,533,779,000.
Source:www.justice.gov/jmd/2011justification/pdf/fy11-bop-se
-justification.pdf
but seriously, seeing how the whole pacifistic/sympathetic/empathetic thing has worked out i think my idea is a bit better right now. if we cut 10 federal prisons completely do you know how many millions we as taxpayers would save IF the government cut our taxes in direct relativity to the overall taxed population vs the cost removed? and if they didnt cut it and we were still paying the same in taxes guess where the money could go. into PREVENTIVE PROGRAMS to slow or stop crime at least by a small margin before it happened? or maybe thats too idealistic. lets say the money went into roads or even *gasp* education. i'd think the world or even us a country would be better off. just think how much the upkeep is for 500 people (housing, heating, cooling, running water, food, etc.) now, there are over 1000 people per prison (at least)now multiply by 10 and see how much we would save. i think rationally, if my humanity suffers then i guess humanity is overrated.
(i cant wait for my next -1)
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In FY 2011, the BOP(bureau of prisons) is requesting a total of $6,533,779,000.
Source:www.justice.gov/jmd/2011justification/pdf/fy11-bop-se
-justification.pdf
We'd save even more if we did several other things, but unlike you, I'm not going to measure lives by how much money we could save. It costs even more than what you just noted to stay in Afghanistan for example. The US spends billions on fighter jets and defense contractors for things they never use or need. We spent 806 billion on the Iraq war, I could go on. If you're so worried about what your money is being spent on, take a good look at the rest of the budget. However, that's a seperate issue. Keep in mind lot of this money you mentioned is being spent on prisoners convicted of drug crimes and the failed policies behind them. If you legalized pot, and experimented with other regulations far fewer would be arrested to begin with. (why put people in a cell for possesion when they aren't hurting any one else?) You can save money, and not slaughter people. What you suggested earlier is as half assed as it is cruel. Also, if you read my other comment, you'll noticed I suggested manual labour as part of the prison regime. Making them do something useful to pay for the money spent sustaining them couldn't hurt.
they already (according to my link) do maintenance and fix things in their own prisons excluding stuff that may be considered "extremely dangerous". if they want to work for it sure, thats fine. suppose we gave them an option hard manual labor for a period of years or death. i'd like to see how many chose death.
and on a side note about the original comment: its still more cost effective, which is where this whole thing stemmed from correct? i didnt say it was the most cost effective its just more cost effective when dealing with prisoners.
and on a side note about the original comment: its still more cost effective, which is where this whole thing stemmed from correct? i didnt say it was the most cost effective its just more cost effective when dealing with prisoners.
Posted: 2011-10-22 13:37:48 Report
I agree with you but not for the same reasons. I just don't have enough faith in our judicial system to correctly judge our citizens. The system in the United States is pretty good but people do get fucked over. There are people rotting in prison for a crime that they didn't commit. That's why we don't have the death penalty for a large amount of different crimes. So maybe one day they can try to appeal their case and get out and try to move on with their lives as possible or impossible as that may be depending on how long they were in prison.
I can't fault you on this. If the Casey Anthony and Troy Davis trails have shown us anything, it's what you've just said. Anthony walks when every shred of evidence suggested killed her daughter, yet Davis is put down with insufficient evidence. Competence in the justice system (and in government in general) Is definitely lacking. But that's not to say the system couldn't work if implemented properly and led by the right people. (Wishful thinking, but someone has to do it.)
Ultimately, governments don't look at the real reasons for crime to begin with. Lack of options, lack of education, poverty cause crime. With the exceptions of crazy people, people turn to crime when they lack other options. Should offenders be punished? Of course and I agree they they shouldn't be treated too well in prisons. I'm all for some manual labor. Put them to work, have them do something useful rather than letting them kick back in a cell. But let's not forget why they're driven to do such things to begin with.
Personally, I don't believe in Karma, think rehabilitation over incarceration works better, and know that Charizard isn't a fucking dragon.
Oh yeah, and thanks for showing up,Skeletor.
Oh yeah, and thanks for showing up,Skeletor.
