Just a thought who voted

I am not sure who actually lives in The United States and who voted. I know that I voted but I also know that allot of you are either too young or lives in another country

Okay thank you for your comments, but I was thinking the people who voted should have the right to complain about the government and they are:

Disco, Logos385, Kodi93, Serpentrepent, Triclebickle, Jofus1992, and me

Everyone else that lives in the US better luck complaining next year

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    i voted - just a thought who voted

    • Disco
    • November 7, 2012, 7:26 pm
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    Im an Aussie but I am soooo glad Obama won. The other one seemed a tad evil... Yay for the legalised pot by the way - congrats.

    • Rmax
    • November 8, 2012, 2:44 am
    same here
    - oscarsylvester November 8, 2012, 2:46 am
    took us long enough lol I've been waiting for it to just be legal medically (which finally passed! Massachusetts is maybe a few years off of legalizing it i think. we'll just have to see who wins for any court battles to come, it's still illegal on the federal level.) I was actually shocked that the two states passed it. i would have thought California or Massachusetts would make it legal before them, guess i was wrong on that one lol.
    - 24paperwings November 8, 2012, 10:12 am
    Romney evil? A man who has given millions to charity, not to mention the amount of time he has given helping others, is not evil. But hey, lets look at what has happened since the president has been relected; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/stocks-slide-europe-growth-forecast_n_2088108.html
    - johnecash November 8, 2012, 10:34 am
    You are parroting this argument everywhere you can justify it. The "fiscal cliff" being discussed was bound to exist no matter the election's outcome. The obstructionist Congress did not allow an extension for many of the stimulus programs to go through. Thus, when federal assistance suddenly ends, without any kind of prior downgrade or gradual decline, there is a projected "fiscal cliff." It makes sense. There is an automatic tax increase and simultaneous spending cut set to occur soon, which would most likely not be the best thing ever. However, Obama and Boehner both seem very willing to work out a deal in tandem, to raise revenues regarding the wealthiest of Americans and cut spending, while still reducing the deficit. This is a positive "panic."
    - Logos385 November 8, 2012, 11:37 am
    One of us has an MBA, the other is still a student. One of us has no problems admitting to the facts as they are, the other makes excuses. Of course the fall was directly related to Obama's re-election. To even suggest otherwise is an example of the kind of delusionary thinking Libs engage in all the time. Once again, you're blaming a clear cause and effect relationship on something other than what it is. Might I suggest you learn about how business works before you comment on it? I have 10 years real life experience of owning, running and operating a small business. How many years have you been a business owner? How many employees depend on you to pay their bills, put food on the table? From nothing I started my business. The government didn't pay for it or build it. I did.
    - johnecash November 8, 2012, 12:06 pm
    dude seriously shut your mouth about how it's already turning bad. it's literally been two fucking days, give it a rest. the only reason that it dropped is because idiots are panicking and taking their money out. the only one making rash claims here is you. its bullshit that you are blaming him for something that is literally well beyond the presidents control.
    - 24paperwings November 8, 2012, 12:29 pm
    Argument from authority, creditation fallacy, failure to evidence claims, and a nice post hoc ergo proctor hoc. Your statement was not logically sound.
    First of all, this is a political discussion. There is more to politics than business. There is also more to economics than business. Being a business owner does not give you blanket authority to definitively assert your opinion as fact. What facts am I not addressing? Be specific, evidence your statements. That is how arguments work. The statement "of course the fall was directly related to Obama's re-election" needs to be supported, not simply stated. So, support it. Why is this true?
    - Logos385 November 8, 2012, 12:40 pm
    Its funny how when people say Romney is an evil man, no comment. I would love to explain it all to you, but i am not your teacher. You seem to think you know it all already. There is no such thing as teaching people who already have made up their mind. I get it, you are in college and know it all. I have said it before and ill say it again, i give you the credit of a student, no more no less. Get your degree and that will change. Get a masters that will change. Get a job that will change. Own a business that will change. As of now, all you are is a highschool grad who is attending college. A person with little to no experience. As i said, i get it you are in college and think you know it all, but wow are you going to be in for a big surprise when you leave school and enter the real world. To put it in words you may understand, if this was WOW, you are level 10, I am around level 40.
    - johnecash November 8, 2012, 3:28 pm
    Yet why are they pulling out? Why the day before when there was hope that Romney was going to be president was there a stock rally, but the next day when Obama won, a huge drop. I never said its already turning bad. It has been bad all along. What I said is its getting worse. Don't believe me take a look at the market that is sliding down even as I type this.
    - johnecash November 8, 2012, 3:34 pm
    You had already responded sufficiently to the "Romney is evil" quip. I didn't see it until after you had addressed it. If it makes you feel better: I, Logos385, do not think Mitt Romney is an evil man. I have differing beliefs from him, but that does not make him a bad person. Moving on...

    I do not think I know it all, but I do believe that it is rational discussion that will further my knowledge. So stop spouting fallacies, discounting my viewpoint without reason, and dodging points. Rationally discuss the topic at hand, so we can both improve our knowledge base.

    So I repeat: "What facts am I not addressing? Be specific, evidence your statements. That is how arguments work. The statement "of course the fall was directly related to Obama's re-election" needs to be supported, not simply stated. So, support it. Why is this true?"
    - Logos385 November 8, 2012, 5:50 pm
    Woa woa woa woa woa woa woa. This is not my batman cup.
    - Rmax November 8, 2012, 6:15 pm
    bitch please im lvl 75
    - Dixienourmous69 November 8, 2012, 8:51 pm
    All i see is you whining. shut up and let it happen there isn't shit you can do now so stop trying to get in these stupid debates because you didn't "technically" say some thing. it was clearly implied. now shut your trap so we can go back to enjoying sharenator and stating our opinions without you jumping down our throats screaming IT'S OBAMAS FAULT! thats what you sound like to not just democrats but republicans as well.

    and as i stated before the people pulled out because they are fucking idiots. if the money gets pulled out how is it his fault? he got elected. literally the only way to have avoided that was for him to not win. it's the same fucking shit that started the last time he got elected. stop bitching and let the man do his goddamn work, if you don't like him vote for someone else. sucks your guy lost but stop whining about a decision that made by the entire friggen country.
    - 24paperwings November 9, 2012, 8:16 am
    How many childhood friends do you have that work at the NYSE? I have two. I'll take the word of the people who work there over a kid any day.
    I love how you put it, "people pulled out because they are fucking idiots." That statement is a testament to your knowledge of the situation at hand. As I said I got my MBA in 04, and have been a small business owner since 02. What business degree do you have again? How many years have you run a business?
    To address your last point, "sucks your guy lost but stop whining about a decision that made by the entire friggen country." You may not know this due to your ignorance (Lack of knowledge or information) of the subject but half the country did vote for him, the other half did not. ( 61,173,739 or 50.5% to 58,167,260 or 48.0%)
    And now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 12:30 pm
    Let me ask you this, you feel that a student has as much expertise in this as some one older, more experience, and a masters? Or let me put it another way, you are saying experience and an MBA does not matter?
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 12:31 pm
    I do not believe that someone that has an MBA instantly means that they are smarter than one without. You make claims that just because you have done this and that you are more qualified at stating who would be a better president. Yes This can help people become more intelligent but it does not make them automatically more capable than someone without all of those. Tell me is Bill Gates any less qualified because he did not finish and get his degree? When the teacher is wrong is it not the students job to correct the teacher?
    - buddyfoeva November 9, 2012, 1:55 pm
    So you are saying degrees are worthless and some one with out a degree in a field of study is as educated as some one with a degree in the field of study in question?
    So in your eyes a new born baby knows as much about the economy as Mr. Greenspan?
    Well from my professional point of view, if you don't have a degree you won't get a job in my office. Let me say that again, if you don't have a degree that is applicable for my profession, you won't get a job.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 2:03 pm
    I'm not saying degrees are worthless. What I am saying is not everyone with a degree is more intelligent than some without. Of course a baby won't know more that is just a ridiculous comparison. Ok if you wont hire a person with a degree that is your right. All I'm saying is that there are people out there that are more intelligent than some with degrees. Going to school just means you are taught what those teachers at that institution think or feel on a subject. What if you get an old teacher that has not been involved in his study of profession recently does that make him more qualified than one who has no degree but has watched and read about the topic in question? I do not believe so. I think that degrees help but it is also you as a person learning by yourself and without the aid of a teacher or school. But that is just my opinion.
    - buddyfoeva November 9, 2012, 2:12 pm
    It is a standard principal in argumentative discourse that qualifications generally only matter when dealing with expert testimony, and even then only when that expert can evidence his or her claims. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on the merits of the people making them.

    Experience and an MBA contribute greatly to the stock of knowledge and critical thinking abilities you possess. If every college graduate voted for Romney, I might think, "hey, everyone more qualified than me disagrees with me... I should reconsider my opinions solely based on that." However, this is not the case. Many qualified, intelligent people agree with my position, so your argument from authority fails here. Now please, just for me, return to the topic and answer my queries made multiple times.
    - Logos385 November 9, 2012, 2:36 pm
    Personal learning is very important. Its called experience. There is no shortcut to it. That is why there is are age requirements in life, from drinking and voting, to being president. Sure there are people out there that are smart that don't have degrees. Never questioned that. None the less I ask you, if you are going to have surgery, have your car worked on, have any work done. If both people are equal except that one has had specialized training called a degree and the other has not, who are you going to choose? No lets assume both people in question have similar degrees. Would you choose the one who got the degree last year to perform you surgery, or the one with 20 years experience? So when it comes to the economy you would rather take the advice of a college student, a student who is not studying business or the economy over some one with real word experience and an MBA. Do you even know what an MBA is and how it is applicable to the topic at hand?
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 2:41 pm
    There is a whole world out there other than college. College is by definition a liberal institution with good reason. I would love to explain it all, but you know as well as I do any explanation that shows Obama to be at fault, intentional or not, will be met by excuses by yourself and other liberals. My only advise would be for you to look with your own eyes at the stock market, and see what was trading higher on Monday, and has been sinking ever since the election. The only difference between Monday and Tuesday is the election. That is it.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 2:51 pm
    First I'll go with the little part with the car you mentioned. I would go to where I think the person knows what they are doing be it a degree or not. If someone goes to two shops one that has just worked on cars his whole life and the other went to a trade school or something and I have heard better things about the guy that has no specialized training than just working on cars, I would go to him. The doctor thing is sort of the same. I will take the one that I feel most comfortable with. I don't care if he just got out of school or not. If he seems better fit to do the job then I'll let him do it. On the economy this one is a little different than the others. The stock market is driven by the people. The people that invest are not always intelligent. That is why it is different. If a whole group of uneducated people withdraw their money the stock market drops. Does it mean that the economy is going to crash? No not necessarily, you have to judge the person that is making the statement, by your views from what you have said so far you are a very pronounced Republican. There is nothing wrong with that it just goes to the fact that because you Obama won you could say something weather it be true or not. Only time could tell who was right. I am not saying that you are wrong with your prediction but it is just that a prediction right now. Now if you give me a list of every prediction you have about what you think the economy will do and you are correct a bunch of times then that could change my opinion. I personally have no idea what will happen, never claimed to I am just going to watch and try and learn. Finally for you question whether I know what an MBA is, well that is kind of sad. Are you questioning my intelligence or what? But yes I do know what it is.
    - buddyfoeva November 9, 2012, 3:47 pm
    "There is a whole world out there other than college."
    I know, please don't patronize me.

    "Any explanation that shows Obama to be at fault, intentional or not, will be met by excuses by yourself and other liberals."
    That is incorrect. I have admitted many faults of the Obama administration, I just find different faults than you do.

    "My only advise would be for you to look with your own eyes at the stock market, and see what was trading higher on Monday, and has been sinking ever since the election. The only difference between Monday and Tuesday is the election. That is it."
    I've addressed this already, and you continue to refuse to address my objection.
    - Logos385 November 9, 2012, 4:14 pm
    For the record, once again, I am not a republican. Independent here. I feel the two party system is not helping this country. I voted against Obama, not for Romney. You have your right to your opinion, if if that opinion is that experience and education don't make you better at your job. In life, the more important the job, the more credentials you need. Well most jobs anyway, it would appear these days they will let anyone be president.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 4:16 pm
    I am not patronizing you, only stating facts. Believe it or not, I have no idea who you are.

    All the faults you have given obama i agree with. The difference is I hold the president to a higher standard than you do. The buck stops here - Harry S. Truman.

    Yes you have made excuses as always. When you get out of school, and if you are part of the lucky 50% of graduates to find a job, the world in your eyes will change. College is a wonderful place of hope and dreams. The real world is a place where you must live in the real world, not in a dream world. Don't take my word for it, experience will teach it to you over the next part of your life. Just as you say all of your college piers voted Obama, I don't know one single business owner (I am on the Mobile and Baldwin County Chamber of Commerce) who voted for Obama. But I do know my friends who try and milk everything out of the government they can, free phones, food, housing, they all voted for Obama. The reason being he is not business friendly and as we all know small business like mine are the way the economy grows. It does not grow from government taxation. But if you had experience you might know that already.
    So in closing you are saying the rapidly declining stock market that started to slip this week was in NO WAY SHAPE OR FOR related to Obama being elected?
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 4:26 pm
    1. I know many business owners, both small and big, who voted for Obama.

    2. Small business paid less taxes under Obama.

    3. Obama enacted the largest tax cut in history.

    4. Assuming my opinions are so terribly flimsy that graduation will radically change all of them at once is patronizing.

    5. It was obviously related to the election. But not tied to Obama's election specifically. The "fiscal cliff" was set on an automatic timer... by the Congressional Minority (Republicans), and that same cliff would exist no matter the elected candidate.
    - Logos385 November 9, 2012, 4:30 pm
    1. I bet you do

    2. Yep I paid less, mostly because my company made less.

    3. Still waiting to see that tax cut.

    4. I know you think you know all there is, but I am sorry to tell you it will change.

    5. Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. Man I wish we had a president and his loyal followers who didn't make so many excuses, excuses, excuses. I hope you liked the movie "Idiocracy" thats the path Obama is taking us.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 4:41 pm
    Not an excuse, a rational argument regarding the state of affairs. Now respond to it. That is what discussions are. Respond.
    - Logos385 November 9, 2012, 4:43 pm
    I have tried talking with you, but you are a hard core liberal. If you are not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart and if you are not conservative at thirty, you have no brain." Sorry to be the one to tell you, just as your opinion has changed in the last 10 years over music, tv, food, and many other facts in life, so will your political opinions change with real world experience. I can't talk to you about it, its something you must . . . experience. I do truly believe you when you say you are not making excuses. It is a wonderful example of where you are in life, and the political maturity that you have yet to undergo.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 4:50 pm
    Well that is the first time I saw you say your an independent so sorry for that. I also agree with your feelings on the two party system. I also never said that I completely disagree with you on education and experience helping someone with a job. Whoever it doesn't automatically make them better although there is a better chance of it. I'm just saying things change and its often the young ones that bring out new ideas of doing things. Once again not always the case.
    - buddyfoeva November 9, 2012, 4:55 pm
    I agree.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 4:58 pm
    Continued patronizing marks, and still a complete lack of any kind of response. To countless points by now if you include all of our discussions.

    The 'argumentative maturity' you fail to show is astounding.
    - Logos385 November 9, 2012, 5:08 pm
    I stopped trying to have a reasonable conversation about politics with you a long time ago when all you gave me were excuses. I am sorry to hear at your age you feel you will not change any more. When you can stop making excuses, the discussion may resume. None the less my young still in college friend, you will change as you grow up. That has nothing to do with me. Let me put it to you this way, a long time ago i thought very similar to how you are now. Even voted for Gore for president, that is right I voted against Bush. Then I grew up. I stopped living in a dream world and started living in the world as it is. Part of being mature is being able to admit to mistakes WITHOUT making excuses. FYI, no one cares about excuses, in life the only thing people care about are results.That is something you have yet to learn, but will. Its all part of growing up and maturing. The one thing I have learned is the older I get, the more I learn, the less I truly know. Some times in life it is best just to listen to people who have been in your shoes before.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 5:25 pm
    When you replace any kind of an argument with a discussion about your opposition's age, you bow out of the discussion, and admit that you cannot adequately or sensibly discuss the material at hand.

    Analysis of evidence is not excuse.
    - Logos385 November 9, 2012, 5:27 pm
    So by your theory a baby has as much credibility as you. Lets look at the similarities. A baby has as many degrees as you. A baby has been out of college as you. And there lies the difference between you and I. I have standards.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 6:16 pm
    "So by your theory a baby has as much credibility as you."
    If the baby forms coherent sentences and rational arguments, absolutely.

    "Lets look at the similarities. A baby has as many degrees as you."
    Completely irrelevant.

    "A baby has been out of college as you."
    This statement makes no sense whatsoever. I literally can't tell what you are trying to say. But I mean, your experience and maturity really shine through here.

    "And there lies the difference between you and I. I have standards."
    Standards which involving attacking someone for their age, ignoring and dodging points, and refusing to back down from an absurd argument. Good start.
    - Logos385 November 9, 2012, 10:01 pm
    I have not attacked you my sesative friend.i have only pointed out the facts. But it is good to know that you agree a baby and you are on the same level.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 10:17 pm
    Stating that a person does not have a credible opinion, without actually making an argument, is an attack on that person, plain and simple.

    I think that because arguments stand on fall on their OWN MERITS. Which you can't seem to understand. Whether the being making an argument is you, me, anyone else on this forum, a professor, a PhD, or a baby, the argument is its own. So address my argument with one of your own, because right now yours has fallen, and is having quite an issue getting back up.
    - Logos385 November 9, 2012, 11:08 pm
    I understand that you will learn. Now, watch this next part. It's something you have yet to master. It's called doing what you say. I would love waste more time with you but I have already wasted plenty of it. You would argue with a wall so I am done. C crest out.
    - johnecash November 10, 2012, 9:23 am
    You leave an argument because you can't defend yours and because you don't know how arguments work.

    Oh, and Seacrest*
    - Logos385 November 11, 2012, 2:00 pm
    Canuck and I'm pleased as well. I'll gladly take 4 for years of Obama over and out-of-touch billionaire douchebag like Romney.
    - CrazyJay November 11, 2012, 7:04 pm
    Keep trolling. Sorry you had your chance and now it's over. I have waisted too much of my time already thinking you we're open minded. You showed me otherwise. Now to make yourself feel better, get the last word and be done with it.
    - johnecas November 11, 2012, 9:00 pm
    I am not trolling. The definition of being open-minded is to have willingness to consider an argument, take it into consideration, and then discuss it. That's what I am doing, and what you are refusing to do. Go ahead and be done, just know you have failed to argue rationally, well, or accurately.
    Also: wasted*, were*, and why the new username?
    - Logos385 November 12, 2012, 1:04 am
    ok 1 i'm no child, i am an educated student who has a focus in biology at school. 2nd i don't care about how many people you have in the stock exchange because for the most part people have a hard time predicting future profits and losses. (yes this is true because they constantly have to update their information, they are like the weather men of money. they make the best guess they can with the information they have. though i admit they are very good at their jobs but that doesn't make them gods of money, they can easily be wrong, its just how you interpret the information.) 3rd yes they are fucking idiots, pulling your money out of the stock exchange is one of the worst things you can do if it is driven by the panic of others. it was a main cause of the great depression, and causes others to panic and pull money as well. panic never gets us anywhere. so yes they are fucking idiots. i don't need a business degree to know something about how the business world works so you can shut your trap. i don't need people to judge me based off of what i did or didn't go to school for. i didn't go to school for writing or drawing. does that mean i can't be an artist or writer? no it means i wouldn't be as conformed to their ideas of what is right or wrong in their eyes. people can have knowledge outside of their chosen fields of study. And it was quite obvious not every single other person in the country voted obama besides you, get your head out of your ass and learn to take things less literally. if you would like me to i can do this.

    sucks your guy lost but stop whining about a decision that was made by the MAJORITY of the friggen country.
    There that better? seriously do think i'm so ignorant that i don't realize that not everyone voted obama. i said entire friggen because that is what we as a UNITED country voted for. some people may disagree, but as the UNITED STATES we voted obama back in. so for that reason and that reason alone i would ask you to please stop whining and let some time pass. see what happens and then if shit goes wrong, go ahead and say "you guys fucked up" until then leave it alone!
    - 24paperwings November 12, 2012, 11:36 am
    A student huh. Might as well be talking to a new born baby then. You and a new born baby have the same amount of degrees. Not sure when 52% became the entire country, but hey that must be the match of a student. One day you might understand whats going on, but its not today.
    - johnecash November 12, 2012, 1:15 pm
    - johnecash November 12, 2012, 1:17 pm
    Because memes, when someone's claim is that you refuse to actually make a coherent argument, truly show your argumentative maturity.
    - Logos385 November 12, 2012, 1:42 pm
    - johnecash November 12, 2012, 2:14 pm
    "Because memes, when someone's claim is that you refuse to actually make a coherent argument, truly show your argumentative maturity."
    - Logos385 November 12, 2012, 2:35 pm
    - johnecash November 12, 2012, 2:40 pm
    To say this before I'm done:

    Where the discussion currently sits... I have presented an argument. You have not. That is all.
    - Logos385 November 12, 2012, 2:49 pm
    - johnecash November 12, 2012, 2:55 pm
    Ok fine you want a sound argument then here it is.

    You're possible the most arrogant fool I’ve ever spoken to. I am a student in college but that does not make me ignorant to the ways of the world. 52% became the entire country when we became one nation. We are a diplomatic people, when a law gets passed, or a person elected by our vote then it a decision made by our ENTIRE country. We are a UNITED people. We are NOT split democrats and republicans, we are not Christians and non-Christians, we are AMERICANS. We will act as one people until the day we see our voices are no longer heard. So unless you feel your voice is no longer being heard then can it and stop whining. The vote was made by the country and now must be accepted by the country. If only 52% of the people voted that doesn't make Obama 52% of the leader. No he leads us all, because that is what we as a people have chosen.

    And as for calling me a newborn baby. That is a low insult that you would only stoop to in order to discredit me by calling me young, but don't think me ignorant for my age. The wisest of men will still listen to the words of the youth. For it is no longer just his world to do with what he will, but a world in which he must share a vision with those who will someday remain while he has passed on. Hinder us not in your quest for your own vision but rather let us share a vision in which we can all progress forward, into a world that we have created together.
    For it is not the job of the wise man to pick the path for the youth, rather it his job to guide them on the first few steps of the journey they themselves have chosen. For as our vision fades and our time run short, the torch must be passed on to those who’s vision will lead us to a brighter future. Fear not the changes to come, but embrace them. For while the elders hold the power now as to which path this world takes, the youth hold the torch that will lead the way. Only by working together can we leave this darkness and come to live in a world full of light.

    (This is not being said in any way to be religious. it is a metaphor, if one is to be considered wise do not shut out information regarding the future of this planet. take us into account, we may be young but we have much to offer. by fearing the change we wish to bring then you hinder us all. it is for this reason that we progress so much more slowly as a people, because we chose to be arrogant and dismiss those whom we believe are not "qualified".)
    In your case Johne you dismiss me, not for my ideas, not for my statements, but for the simple fact that i am younger than you. Wisdom comes not from age but from experience and what you took away from those experiences. I'll be honest with you Johne I have very little respect for what you say. This is not because of what you say and your beliefs but for the manor in which you dismiss all others viewpoints but your own. You do not attempt to grasp other people’s viewpoints and you do not attempt to look beyond what you yourself see. You are arrogant, relying on personal insults and attacks upon peoples ideas in insulting ways in order to further your point. You assume knowledge on your behalf and ignorance on others. This is not just in what we have discussed here but it is a constant trend through out many of your posts. i do not hate you for these views nor do I fully disagree with some of what you say. But the truth is I hold no value to much of what you say. You have no respect from me because you insult others and are so close minded that you can't accept even the slightest of differences between yours and another persons view.

    my hope is that one day you might be able to learn from others, but in all likelihood today is not that day.

    (p.s. I think the word you were searching for was Math "but hey that must be the MATH of a student." I’m glad to see you continue to attempt being as insulting towards me as you possibly could in order to once again draw out a response from someone who has little interest in debating you. But just so you know if you want to attempt to insult my level of intelligence I’ll be more than willing to insult yours as well. Hope you have a good day sir, though knowing you something will go wrong and Obama’s gonna have to pay!
    *shakes cane in hand*
    “Dagnabit Obama you did it again!”)

    have a wonderful day
    - 24paperwings November 12, 2012, 4:18 pm
    So much fail. So much anger. So much fail. Thanks though for saying things about yourself that I never said. Then again being fair has never been a hallmark of the liberals. Just see your fist comments and ask, were you being respectful? (dude seriously shut your mouth, yep that is how respectful people talk to each other) I always find it amusing. I could only hope that one day liberals could care about the state of the economy as much as you care about the opinion of some one you have never met. I am sorry if I don't give insane people (you know, doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results) the same amount of respect that I give normal people. If you want to be treated like an adult, then act like it. Do something to help the country other than being an internet warrior. Until then, get down from your cross then use the wood to build a bridge and get over it.
    - johnecash November 12, 2012, 5:02 pm
    again with the arrogance. You're so full of yourself that you assume i am a liberal. in that statement you are wrong, I am and always will be independent. the reason i am is so that i can make my own choices and formulate my own ideas. I have never claimed to be democratic nor republican. I voted obama because his beliefs/ policies aligned better with my own than mitt Romneys. It was that simple.

    second no i was not respectful, i knew you'd mention that but here's my reasoning for this. In the past couple years i have seen you comment repeatedly even had several conversations with you myself. In each of these cases you have been nothing but mean, spiteful, nit picky, and flat out rude for no reason. You had lost my respect well before this past week and the insistent whining has grown to be to much. I snapped and told you to shut up because you where behaving like a five year old. there was no need for the complaints and it simply was annoying that someone as intelligent as you (yes intelligent. you may be and arrogant jack ass who carries no respect for others but i'll be damned if i don't say you are a smart motherfucker. so i give you credit where credit is deserved.) would make rash statements such as the claims you made earlier this week. I apologize for the rudeness of my message but that's it. I still believe you need to shut your mouth and give it a rest.

    thirdly I give the economy great importance, but i do not prioritize it above all else. other issues are just as, if not more important than, the state of the economy. i prioritize issues and looked at who i thought would do the job better overall. and while Mitt was good economically he lacked in almost every other aspect. Obama while being good socially and environmentally lacks in business aspect. however my choice is not only in the presidents themselves but those whom they work with. Romney is surrounded with people i could see selling their own parents out for a profit gain. Obama surrounds himself who seem to be more informed on the issues and help him make choices based on facts. Romney is a fool, and i will actually make the claim that if you do not believe the environment was an important issue, and believe we should have a "no regrets policy" when it comes to it, then you are a fool as well. (general statement not directed at you Johne as i don't know your stance on this)

    next your claim about me being "insane" this is a false statement. "I'm not insane, my mother had me tested."
    (big bang quote- had to do it xD)
    anyways seriously though, it isn't out of insanity that people wanted him back. people wanted him back because they felt what he is doing is right. give me a reason as to why it is insane to try and make this world a better place. people try to do this every single day, and while it may not be making a huge difference today, it makes an enormous difference over the course of a lifetime. insult people all you want, but in the long run their work pays off through patients and perseverance.
    look at it like a rock in a river. it may take a thousand years of water running over that stone, but one day after all of that time, that stone will be smooth. all because some force worked at every minute of every day. because of that this stone is now different.
    it isn't insane to not want to leave this world a better place, it's insane to not try to change it. and if you can't have the decency to try at least don't get in the way of those who will try.

    as for the cross comment, though i'm not christian thank you for comparing me to jesus, but there is no need. i am not a man worthy to be compared to him and by all accounts never will be. i am not looking to make this seem like i am making some stupid sacrifice nor am i doing it for attention. I am saying this to you for the simple fact that you are an arrogant asshat who needs to understand that money isn't the only thing in life. and while your world may rely solely on it not everyone lives in that world with you.

    and for your benefit i would like you to know i do as much as i can for this country. I work for my town at a Daycare during the summer for kids who would otherwise be unable to attend camp. these kids would either have one parent out of work to take care of them or they would be home alone because they can't afford to live without the other parent working. on top of that i volunteer at my school and even teach wrestling to youth. so don't assume i don't do what i can for my country. i do what i can in my own town to help it out.

    finally the only one who deserves to not have the respect of others is you johne. you alone. belittling and insulting people who have no intentions of arguing with you. you pester people to get them to respond then make ridiculous statements after they say its over in order to continue the fight. and though i respond to you now i assure you it was in fact my choice to respond. the simple reason being that you are a fool who needs to hear what it is others think of you. you toss out unneeded insults and then claim innocents later. i have no problem saying i've been an asshole to you. but at least own up to being one yourself. don't delude yourself into thinking i'm attacking you. you provided information that was coincidental and used it as fact. give it a few months before you whine. at least then you won't have people thinking you are a fool.
    - 24paperwings November 12, 2012, 6:22 pm
    1. Fair enough your not a liberal, just another fool who voted for the wrong guy.
    2. If you want respect you must give it. So put your big boy pants on, stop acting like a spoiled child. You are getting from me just what you wanted. You act like an ass, so you are treated like an ass.
    3. Without a strong economy, the other programs (Like the EPA) can not be strong. You think china is going to lead the way to a better environment? If you want a clean environment we need a strong economy to pay for it. China does not care and is cutting every corner they can in order to beat the US in an economic cold war.
    4. Yeah there is only one world and no matter how much you hate it, you live in my world.
    5. Well done being a nanny. That i do mean. Do what you can for your town, give what you can, even I won't bitch about that.
    6. Your hypocrisy is entertaining. For some reason your vanity thinks you matter to me. HAHAHahahahahahahaahaaha That is so adorable. FYI, no one loves you as much as you do. You think I should give Obama a few months before I wine. Well you ignorant fool I gave him 24 months before I started to complain. Or did you forget already that he is already in office and has been already for the better part of the last 4 years. Some days you truly are as dumb as a bag of hammers.
    - johnecash November 13, 2012, 9:20 am
    More breaching of the tos.

    Debates are ok, but rude, insulting, attacking, hateful, profane, threatening comments are not allowed. Be polite! Any offensive posts will be deleted.
    - NotJohnEcash February 12, 2013, 11:27 pm
    The more I look at your post the more I see you habitually break the tos as bad as anyone on the site, including me. See what I did there by saying including me, I can admit to my mistakes. Can you admit yours mr moderator?
    - NotJohnEcash February 12, 2013, 11:43 pm
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    I voted as well!

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    Did not vote.

    why not?
    - DontTouchMyPuddin November 8, 2012, 7:32 pm
    Did not care enough about it.
    - casper667 November 8, 2012, 8:08 pm
    Not voting is sad. Thousands of people died for you to have the right and you could not find the time to vote. Very sad.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 12:35 pm
    Romney carried Texas anyways, and that's who I would've voted for.
    - casper667 November 12, 2012, 6:08 am
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    I voted for the first time...but I lost, I'm not good at gambling.

    • Kodi93
    • November 8, 2012, 2:37 am
    You can only truly lose if you didn't vote.
    - johnecash November 8, 2012, 10:35 am
    ^^Agreed. Good sentiment, Johne. It is unbelievably important to our democracy and political discourse that the citizens exercise their right to vote.
    - Logos385 November 8, 2012, 2:22 pm
    Very true and sorry I accidentally hit report instead of reply rofl My bad!
    - Kodi93 November 9, 2012, 9:52 pm
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    I voted and my party didn't even come close. Gary Johnson 2016 we will win!!!

    Why not Zoidberg?
    - Disco November 8, 2012, 1:46 pm
    zoidberg 2016
    - Dixienourmous69 November 8, 2012, 9:16 pm
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    I voted. I wasn't planning on do it though, I couldn't trust Obama or Romney any further than I could throw them, but I saw that there was another candidate running on what views I agreed with.

    Who, Gary Johnson?
    - DontTouchMyPuddin November 9, 2012, 9:31 pm
    Yep.
    - triclebickle November 9, 2012, 10:57 pm
    libertarians for the win w00t!
    - serpentrepent November 11, 2012, 2:37 am
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    I would have but I was never given the opportunity. Apparently getting ballots to troops isn't a high priority.

    what state were you in because my state was talking about how it was a priority
    - DontTouchMyPuddin November 10, 2012, 8:58 pm
    I live in Hawai'i but my home of record is North Carolina. I don't blame them. I blame the government.
    - Jofus1992 November 11, 2012, 2:24 am
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    I'm currently an ex-pat so I can't vote in my current country of residence. But even if I were back in Australia I wouldn't vote. Shits always the same.

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    Aussie, But I'd of voted Obama, Romney is a retard

    I am not sure you know what the word retard means, thus making you a retard.
    - johnecash November 9, 2012, 12:33 pm
    I work with "retards" and Romney makes them look like mini Down Syndromed Einsteins.
    - Dragkyre November 10, 2012, 4:23 am
    Ok let's play this game. Define retard then site examples. I am giving you a chance to state your case.
    - johnecash November 10, 2012, 9:25 am
    Johne you can turn "attack mode" off, the elections over. Getting into an internet argument with someone who boils down a whole political argument into "the other guys a retard " is not worth the time anymore.
    - serpentrepent November 11, 2012, 2:36 am
    Especially when I'm not even in debate mode. Nor when I was asking anyone to be a little bitch over me calling Romney a retard. So I figured I'd bug Johne the easiest way I know and tell him he's wrong. always gets him, ALWAYS! he takes the internet too seriously
    - Dragkyre November 12, 2012, 3:43 am
    Someone who baits trolls on the internet, Example, you. Thought you'd of learnt by now buddy.
    - Dragkyre November 12, 2012, 3:44 am
    Like most liberals, you just say things with no meaning.
    - johnecash November 12, 2012, 9:15 am
    Just like a liberal, say something you can't back up.
    - johnecash November 12, 2012, 9:15 am
    >implying I'm a liberal or actually care about politics.
    I.AM DOING THIS TO ANNOY YOU! Fuckin hell I've baited you enough times for you to know this..... Settle down
    - Dragkyre November 13, 2012, 4:28 am
    How silly of me to take any of what you say as real.
    - johnecash November 13, 2012, 9:03 am
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