Is Israel the bad guy?

Watch this video: (don't just disregard the information because of who it is. Just watch it.)





I don't agree with every word he says. Sometimes I think he looks to deep into things but I think he gets the basics of it all.



So many are denouncing Israel for their attack on the "Peace" ship. But was it just a peace ship?

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    Here's the intro to the piece found on youtube, the rest of it is up there as well.



    No video ever made me hate Glenn Beck more. His cynical use of the "finger quotes" on words such as humanitarian and peaceful to suggest they're lies without justifying it. And the hypocracy, claiming other news sources wouldn't show the images of the beating of the commando's, without then pointing out that the ships were in international waters and registered with a foreign nation, in effect making them that nation's territory and Israel's acts an act of war. If they hadn't been military attacks it would have been an act of piracy. Beck then claims the videos show that the activists weren't peaceful because they responded so violently. If those had been people on an American ship defending against Somali pirates or people using their second amendment right to defend their home against invaders he wouldn't portray them as violent aggressors.

    And heres a photo the Israelis released to show how the ships were smuggling weapons:

    Weapons on Marmaris


    Apart from a few offensive knives and the staves, they resort to piling up the ship's tools, kitchen knives (there's even a sharpening steel in there) and lengths of chain (wouldn't expect to see them on a ship) all neatly laid out on a Hamas flag and Keffiyeh scarves to cynically imply terrorist intent (did they really need to confiscate scarves?) and no sign of the metal poles Beck claims they were using.

    So in a word, Yes, Israel was the bad guy.

    • Ruleb
    • June 3, 2010, 2:35 am
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    WOW! You and Hitler would get along great.

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    math speaks the truth. to say one side is better than the other is just plain stupid.

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    Not the words you usually hear coming from a Hippy wearing CND symbols.

    • Math
    • June 9, 2010, 6:32 am
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    i agree... what is CND?

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    It's the [url=http://http://www.cnduk.org/]Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament[/url]


    cnd - is israel the bad guy?

    • Math
    • June 9, 2010, 6:37 am
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    thank you, i did not know that. hippy boy may have missed the point on what being a hippy means.

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    I think so!
    He probably thinks it's all about smoking pot.

    • Math
    • June 9, 2010, 6:45 am
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    OK the symbol was originally used for Nuclear Disarmament as it was designed by Gerald Holtom for the first Aldermastom march in 1958 as he never copyrighted it, it was adopted by CND in the same year 1958. As the basics of CND are world peace via nuclear disarmament the world have come to know it as a peace symbol.
    So NO I am not wrong.
    The CND logo is a play on semaphore for N and D (as in Nuclear & Disarmament)

     44497910 cnd logo 203

    • Math
    • June 9, 2010, 7:59 am
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    The whole thing is bogus. Anything in that picture should be expected to be found on a functioning ship. Ships use ropes, sailers use knives, and staves as well. The whole thing is crap.

    • r60man
    • June 3, 2010, 2:55 am
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    No they asked the flotillas to stop repeatedly hen they didnt and they had guns on the boat two and of course no remembers the attack on south Korea

    • CJ709
    • June 3, 2010, 3:17 am
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    Just saw the footage of israeli troops being attacked with clubs while on the boat.

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    Yes, not just for this but just because you were given a state (taken from the Gazans) but they seem to be able to get away with anything now. I mean comeon the holocaust has been and gone why can't someone just say "Oi you Israel! NO!" anyway you get my point Israel=always the bad guy.

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    +1 for noticing.

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    The balance of that argument seems skewed in favour of Israel; quite aside from the unclear definition of the ties and what constitutes 'terrorist', it assumes that on the evidence of association the flotilla should be doubted, but that they have no right to doubt the claims of the Israelis that they will hand over aid, in its entirety, and make the Gazans aware of where it came from.

    Then there is the issue of the right to political protest (hypothetically peacful)against the blockade, which was also part of the objective, and would have been removed if they had allowed the Israelis to quietly distribute the aid themselves so as not to raise world awareness of their blockade.

    Finally, the Israelis DO have a right to protect themselves, and under maritime law they have the right to stop and board foreign ships in international waters if they have reasonable suspicion that they are being used to arm terrorists or for slavery/people trafficking. But they can't just use that as a loophole afterwards. Turkey, previously an ally of Israel, by no means a supporter of terrorism, and whose nationality the ships were, had already searched them and the passengers and had made assurances that they were not carrying weapons for use against Israel. So Turkish sovereign rights were ignored when Israel ignored their word that the ships were legit. There was also the fact that several European MP's were on the flotilla supporting it. All this prior evidence of the intent of the ships was ignored, and has been proved right because they never found anything, but that doesn't matter (as the Israelis were banking it wouldn't if all went smoothly) because they got what they wanted and disrupted the flotilla (albeit with side-effects which blew up in their face).

    • Ruleb
    • June 3, 2010, 1:00 pm
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    The question people dont seem to be asking is: Fair enough you found soom knives on a boat but if they are "terrorist" weapons what use are they against the tanks and helicopters that Israel regularly use against the Gaza strip???

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    Yeah its crazy why would you take that risk too attack armed troops?
    Are people really confused as to why they got shot?

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    • Math
    • June 9, 2010, 3:31 am
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    I'm afraid we'll never know what actually happened so in that case I cannot comment!
    But PEACE is not the word I'd use for either side!

    • Math
    • June 9, 2010, 3:58 am
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    great point

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    so who gets to decide who lives and who dies? YOU?

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    you have so much to learn about being a hippy. nice fail.

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    "We are all the same person trying to shake hands with our self."
    Wavy Gravy

    that is a quote from one of the founding hippies.
    you said
    you know not all hippys just go peace man and hug trees, i chose to follow a bohemian lifestyle and want world peace however we won't get there without stepping on the cockroaches.

    that statement could not be more anti hippy. your name should be NaziBoy not hippyboy. a true hippy wants world piece, a true hippy can accept people for who they are. so far you have not shown any of the above mentioned qualities. but hey what would i know, i only spent a night chatting with Tommy Chong about what being a hippy is.

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    who am i to judge? i am the guy who thinks you are an idiot who knows nothing about being a hippy if you feel Israel should be destroyed.

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    at the end of the day being a hippy is about bringing people together not tearing them apart.-Tommy Chong

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    its never as black and white as we would like it.

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    I think the modern problems were created after WWII by us the Brits.
    We thought we were doing good, but the main fault probably lies with Hitler.

    • Math
    • June 10, 2010, 8:03 am
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    @ HippyBoy:

    So what is the Israeli man supposed to do? Oh here's an idea! The Israeli troop could say, "OH, you only have a knife. Hold on while I get out my knife so we can have a fair fight."

    No if I am holding a gun and a man is coming at me with a knife I am going to shoot him.

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    Well I wouldn't just blame it on the brits but thats a pretty good summary of it.

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    The Israelis were executing people.

    Here's some evidence make of it what you will.

    Nine Turkish men on board the Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times and five were killed by gunshot wounds to the head, according to the vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine, which carried out the autopsies for the Turkish ministry of justice today. The results revealed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back. A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less that 45cm, in the face, in the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back. Two other men were shot four times, and five of the victims were shot either in the back of the head or in the back, said Yalcin Buyuk, vice-chairman of the council of forensic medicine. The findings emerged as more survivors gave their accounts of the raids.

    Dr Haluk Ince, chair of Turkey’s council of forensic medicine, said:

    Approximately 20cm away was the closest. In only one case was there only one entrance wound. He was shot just in the middle of the forehead with a distant shot. The other eight have multiple entrance wounds.

    “it started using immediately live ammunition” without any warning being issued. After the first victim fell the white flag was raised, he said, but Israeli forces continued firing. He said:

    Harrison, 32, from Islington, north London, also witnessed the Mavi Marmara being stormed from above by helicopter and said the Israelis started firing before their troops touched down on the boat. She said:

    I have seen some selective footage that the Israelis have chosen to put out suggesting that we responded with violence. You must remember that these are unarmed civilians on their own boat in the middle of the Mediterranean. People picked up what they could to defend themselves against armed, masked commandos who were shooting. The violence was initiated by the Israelis on a massive scale. I am thrilled the Rachel Corrie is still going. They know exactly what risks they face. They are doing what our governments haven’t and I thank them.

    The nine victims

    Cengiz Alquyz, 42: Four gunshot wounds: back of head, right side of face, back, left leg.
    Ibrahim Bilgen, 60: Four gunshot wounds: right chest, back, right hip, right temple.
    Cegdet Kiliclar, 38: One gunshot wound: middle of forehead.
    Furkan Dogan, 19: Five gunshot wounds: nose, back, back of head, left leg, left ankle.
    Sahri Yaldiz: Four gunshot wounds: left chest, left leg, right leg twice.
    Aliheyder Bengi, 39: Six gunshot wounds: left chest, belly, right arm, right leg, left hand twice.
    Cetin Topcuoglu, 54: Three gunshot wounds: back of head, left side, right belly.
    Cengiz Songur, 47: One gunshot wound: front of neck.
    Necdet Yildirim, 32: Two gunshot wounds: right shoulder, left back.
    http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2010/06/05/the-flotilla-victims-were-killed-execution-style
    Other pages, same info.
    http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/06/04/report-autopsies-show-israelis-shot-flotilla-activists-repeatedly-in-head-at-point-blank-range/
    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2010/06/04/turkish-autopsies-show-flotilla-victims-shot-at-point-blank-range-six-remain-missing-possibly-dead/

    And if the israeli troops had responded to knife violence with say truncheons etc then i would of accepted it but shooting people repeatedly, to kill is not self defense it is murder or at least manslaughter in any western country where the law is upheld, so why should Israel be let off?

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    its all goes back to hitler, i can go with that! FUCK YOU HITLER!!! By the way i just watched little nicky again last night. i love what they do to hitler.

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    i love the truth. good post math

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    That statement is so insane I don't even know where to begin. I really don't think I can. If I didn't have a life or a job maybe I could but I do have both.

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    Really? Or sarcasm? Not attacking, I genuinely dont know.

    • Ruleb
    • June 11, 2010, 3:35 am
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    Stupid idiots, 'attacking' the armed personnel of a foreign force which had illegally dropped by for a 'peaceful' visit on their boat.

    This is how WW2 blew up, stupid French 'attacked' the friendly blokes in grey who just wanted to test how many miles-per-gallon they could get out of their shiny new panzers.

    • Ruleb
    • June 11, 2010, 4:04 am
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    shhh, i was not talking to you. when the adults are done i will come to the kiddy table

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    Really? You know I was actually genuinely asking whether you thought he had a fair point. I'm sorry I misread your two word reply. You've always been civil to me before and because of that I thought the outright bashing against you that's been going on recently was a bit unfair.

    • Ruleb
    • June 11, 2010, 8:08 am
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    fair enough. i am sorry. its was hard to tell what your point was, i assumed to the worst due to the warm welcome many have had. i am sorry. that is my fault. i really do think it was a good point.

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    Try it now.

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    but if these groups did hbe terrorist ties how could we be sure that they had humanatarian intent?

    Also Egypt and Israel offered to give the aid to Gaza for them. If they are for peace why would they try to do that anyways when they knew Israel would probably not let them through? Why provoke military action when you are a peace group?

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    Ok I basically agree with you. I don't really have a problem with what Israel did though. As far as ignoring turkey's inspection, well they don't really have many friends so I can't blame them for being paranoid.

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    How was israel to know what exactly was on those ships? I can't blame them for trying to look at what exactly those ships were carrying. Especially since those groups did have terrorist ties.

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    It's amazing isn't it? Did you see the one thrown overboard?

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    Yeah. It's crazy.

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    check out this blog
    http://humanrightstv.blogspot.com/2010/06/defenders-of-mavri-mamarra.html
    the captain of the ship being attacked is an ex-US marine.
    what this guy show on TV is what he get paid a lot to do while what the guy from the blog said got nothing. think about it. Why are you being so afraid of some construction tools and attacked it not even on your shore?
    If somebody come to ur house with guns, and you hit that guy to protect your house. Do you call urself as attacker or defender?
    International water law said nobody allowed to board a ship without permission of the captain and that's that.
    Egypt close their border to gaza. nothing can go through there instead what this man said.
    the question now? why do Israel want to stop Gaza being rebuild? after they have blasted UN sponsored school..

    • Bort
    • June 8, 2010, 6:03 pm
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    Well how was Israel to know that was all they had? And there is no such thing as an ex-Marine

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    A knife wound is nothing to a gunshot to the head. End of in my book to be honest. What would you do in this situation? I know i'd fight back if my friends were being shot just because we were trying to bring food to people who are having a damn near genocide inflicted on them. Also did the israiles find anything except knives, sticks and some chain? No, tell me one way how you'd take out a squad of men armed with automatic weapons, an artillery position or a tank with any of the above.

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    That quote proves nothing out of context and unless you live the lifestyle then you do know nothing, being a hippy is all about individuality and i hold views individual to me. Tommy chong was from a completely diferent era as much as he and Cheech Manara (can't ever spell his name)were and are geunises and revolutonaries, i hold what i believe to be much more modern views in a much more complex world than when they were at the forefront now don't get me wrong they are completely amazing people but they also spent nearly all their time getting stoned and making music ever heard the saying i got stoned and i missed it? whell to me the hippies of the 60's etc where on the brink of even more massice change but missed their oppurtunity to change everything they could have.

    And i accept you for who you are otherwise i wouldn't be talking to you and frankly johne you make these statements about people's lives and personalities from conversations on a casual internet site. Who are you to judge exactly?

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    educate? tell me how could killing a country be good? educate me on that? as a retired marine i know more about war and peace than most. its called combat experience. for that reason i would say i know the value of a human life better than your non hippy ass who though process is similar to hitlers. tell me have you ever brought food and medication to a 3 world country? i have. have you ever helped save lives of people you don't know? i have. have you ever fought with your own blood sweat and tears for the basic human rights of people who live 3,000 miles away from your home? i have. have you ever seen the pain and suffering that war causes first hand? i have. tell me again what you have done?

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    Mkay as i have stated i live a bohemian lifestyle i would not class myself as a hardcore hippy as the hardcore of any political or social movement are usualy best avoided and when i say "israel is a stain, it should be wiped from the earth" what i mean by that is that the people in power are abusing their power and commiting countless human rights infringments while living in a country formed to make up for the jewish peoples suffering in the holocaust and they did that by taking it from the palestinians already living there so israel as a country should not exist and especialy now as its goverment has made it a blemish on this developing world, i did not mean that they should all be killed now i clearly see how you could take it that way but hey i was busy four hours ago and didn't have time and couldn't be bothered to go into detail so here's the detail. Happy?

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    And if there's an immovable object in the way you can't bring people together- me just now.

    Using quotes from famous hippies does not make it the hippy bible, i can chose to folow certain hippy beliefs and i acn chose to not folow some there's no rule book on it.

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    yea there is a rule to being a hippy. hippys spread love and peace. otherwise you are just another dysfunctional kid. i will trust the words of people who started the hippy movement over some one who wants to wipe out a country any day.

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    Fine, really i do not care anymore you have exhausted my daily allowance of patience countless times, you keep on crusading you internet warrior.

    I'm sorry just have to say BEING A HIPPY IS ABOUT NOT FOLOWING THE RULES. IT'S ABOUT FREE WILL, PEACE AND TOLERANCE AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I EXPLAINED MY ILL-PUT COMMENT TO EXPLAIN THAT I DO NOT WANT TO WIPE OUT THE COUNTRY JUST TAKE THE GOVERMENT OUT OF POWER AND RE PATRIATE THE COUNTRY TO ITS ORIGINAL PATRIAGE, moron.

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    UST TAKE THE GOVERMENT OUT OF POWER AND RE PATRIATE THE COUNTRY TO ITS ORIGINAL PATRIAGE, moron.

    the jews were the original people there. its called a history book, pic it up some time.
    the only part of you that is a hippy is the pot smoking part. i don't know what you are, but i do know a hippy you are not.

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    You know what cash i physichaly hate everything you are and ever will be
    proof yet again you have no idea what being a hippy is all about. hippys love everyone. you have too much hate in your heart to be a hippy.

    hippies - flower people: a youth subculture (mostly from the middle class) originating in San Francisco in the 1960s; advocated universal love and peace and communes and long hair and soft drugs; favored acid rock and progressive rock music
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    please stop makeing hippies look like tools.

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    No but maybe it could have happened while he was attacking another israeli.

    Also I hate to second guess a man in combat. That is like armchair-quarterbacking but 1,000,000 times worse. Things happen so fast in combat you may not have time to rationally think about things or your buddies are going to die.

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    But if they were excecuted I won't agree with the Israelis on it. .

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    Now I will say again, how was Israel to know what was on those ships? I don't cate who inspected it, I can't blame them for wanting to inspect it themselves. If you haven't noticed Israel doesn't really have many friends.

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    Hey your video isn't working, but either way, I believe what Israel did wasn't right.

    Even if one of the ships that they boarded did get quite out of hand (I read that peacefully boarded another 5 aid ships), they should of handled it a lot better without having to kill several people. Plus they've really pusheds their relationship with Turkey now, and Turkish government was saying the other day that they might send an escort with the next aid ship, so it will be pretty interesting to see how Israel deal with that, if they do anything they could spark off a war and Turkey has a lot of people behind them on this one.

    All in all, Israel really did fuck up this time, and I do think that the blockade of Gaza is very wrong.

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    ok yeah I watched it, he's a complete wanker.

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    Summed it up nicely for me!
    They are indeed wrong.

    • Math
    • June 3, 2010, 3:06 am
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    +1 For the Harry Enfield 'Angry Frank' reference.

    • Ruleb
    • June 3, 2010, 10:02 am
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    I'mNotToSureOnTheSubject-PleaseEnlightenMeWithYourViews

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    You have so much to learn about jokes oh and the American hippy is completely diferent to the British Hippy trust me i come from a family of Hippys and have been surround by Hippys and Alternative people since i was born so by all means tell me what i'm doing wrong oh mighty one.

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    Israel has been hated and attack for thousands of years. How cam u expect them to just trust these people who had terrorist ties?

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    Although Glen Beck is a douche, he does bring up several good points that the mainstream media is too biased to mention. The way I see it, Israel went to far, but they weren't without good reason.

    • Ertrov
    • June 10, 2010, 8:13 am
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    Oh and it's kind of hard to shoot someone several times in the back of the head if they're coming at you with a knife, no?

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    History, and different perceptions of history, are perhaps the most important factors in the Arab-Israeli conflict. Accounts of history, interpreting history in different ways, are used to justify claims and to negate claims, to vilify the enemy and to glorify "our own" side. Dozens of accounts have been written. Most of the accounts on the Web are intended to convince rather than to inform.

    This very brief account is intended as a balanced overview and introduction to Palestinian and Israeli history, and the history of the conflict. It is unlikely that anyone has written or will write an "objective" and definitive summary that would be accepted by everyone, but it is hoped that this document will provide a fair introduction.

    It would be wrong to try to use this history to determine "who is right," though many "histories" have certainly been written by partisans of either side, with precisely that purpose in mind. Those who are interested in advocacy, in collecting "points" for their side, cannot find the truth except by accident. If they find it, and it is inconvenient, they will bury it again. This account intends to inform, and nothing more. Two separate documents explain how I think we should gather facts and learn about the conflict, and the importance of words in making Middle East history, as well as in understanding it. A timeline provides details of many events not discussed in this history, and source documents provide additional background. Serious students will also refer to the bibliography for more information and different viewpoints, and will always seek out primary source documents to verify whatever claims are made about those documents or about quotes from those documents.


    The land variously called Israel and Palestine is a small, (10,000 square miles at present) land at the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea. During its long history, its area, population and ownership varied greatly. The present state of Israel occupies all the land from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean ocean, bounded by Egypt in the south, Lebanon in the north, and Jordan in the East. The recognized borders of Israel constitute about 78% of the land. The remainder is divided between land occupied by Israel since the 1967 6-day war and the autonomous regions under the control of the Palestinian autonomy. The Gaza strip occupies an additional 141 square miles south of Israel, and is under the control of the Palestinian authority.

    Palestine has been settled continuously for tens of thousands of years. Fossil remains have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal and transitional types between Neanderthal and modern man. Archeologists have found hybrid Emmer wheat at Jericho dating from before 8,000 B.C., making it one of the oldest sites of agricultural activity in the world. Amorites, Canaanites, and other Semitic peoples related to the Phoenicians of Tyre entered the area about 2000 B.C. The area became known as the Land of Canaan.


    The archeological record indicates that the Jewish people evolved out of native Cana'anite peoples and invading tribes. Some time between about 1800 and 1500 B.C., it is thought that a Semitic people called Hebrews (hapiru) left Mesopotamia and settled in Canaan. Canaan was settled by different tribes including Semitic peoples, Hittites, and later Philistines, peoples of the sea who are thought to have arrived from Mycenae, or to be part of the ancient Greek peoples that also settled Mycenae.

    According to the Bible, Moses led the Israelites, or a portion of them, out of Egypt. Under Joshua, they conquered the tribes and city states of Canaan. Based on biblical traditions, it is estimated that king David conquered Jerusalem about 1000 B.C. and established an Israelite kingdom over much of Canaan including parts of Transjordan. The kingdom was divided into Judea in the south and Israel in the north following the death of David's son, Solomon. Jerusalem remained the center of Jewish sovereignty and of Jewish worship whenever the Jews exercised sovereignty over the country in the subsequent period, up to the Jewish revolt in 133 AD.
    Enough history for you? They took it then and they're taking it now.

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    Yes, If they trusted turkey and the european officials, all of this would be avoided. Also, they did not have the captains permission and were in international waters. The people on the ship had a right to defend themselves as in this case Israel is acting no different than pirates. Israel also executed 9 people even though the surrendered. Israel is not "always the bad guy" but we all know they have gotten away with a lot.

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    Israel needs to be wiped from the face of the earth, it is a stain.

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    If the destruction of one gives joy to thousands then i'm all for it, you know not all hippys just go peace man and hug trees, i chose to follow a bohemian lifestyle and want world peace however we won't get there without stepping on the cockroaches.

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    If i had my way, yes :) It's quite clear to see who is making people suffer and who are trying to make the world a better place.

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    No it is a symbol about world peace and the lifestyle is about saying no to the norm and the 'System' usualy the goverment, and who are you to tell me about being a 'hippy'? an ex-us marine who trolls internet sites looking to make people angry? And Math thanks for the generalisation there. Smoking cannabis is part of my life but it does not make my life i chose to live an alternative life as i don't agree with some of the morals of the modern world and how a lot of people chose to live, i have a job, arboriculture and i do pay some taxes mainly to support the NHS and local goverment services who support people who can't take care of themselves.

    I actively protest and try to educate people through one of the best mediums the internet and of course speaking to people face to face.

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    My response was worded wrongly i was not saying you were wrong, sorry my grammar goes haywire after a smoke. And thank you i did not know the exact details of the symbols origin however i did know it was used in CND it's also synomonous with the word peace.

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    Good for you and i respect what you did, but that doesn't make you any better than me or anyone else, i donate regularly to charity, i help homeless people whenever i can, i do do volunteer work when it arrises and if the oppurtunity arrose to save someones life then i would do all i could. Just because i chose not to serve in the millitary it doesn't make me any less of a good person than you.

    Oh and my thought process is similar to Hitler is it? that'd be odd as the majority of my family is jewish and how did you come to this conclusion may i ask? oh yes that's right a small comment i made in jest. You know what cash i physichaly hate everything you are and ever will be please stop responding to my comments and if you do feel the need to keep mass downrating me then by all means carry on, whatever passes the time in your now trivial existence.

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    Source for your essay?

    • Math
    • June 11, 2010, 3:26 am
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