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    The lesson here: Christians need to actually READ the bible.

    yep ur about right lolz
    - xxkisamexx October 11, 2010, 5:51 pm
    shit im not a sinner.....lolz jk i try not to
    - xxkisamexx October 11, 2010, 5:51 pm
    m-m-m-MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!
    - iGreenDay October 11, 2010, 7:20 pm
    You're not trying to imply that being gay is as bad as being a murderer, are you? Because sexual preference isn't something you can control. However murder or theft is a deliberate act.
    - CrazyJay October 22, 2010, 2:16 am
    the books he's referring to don't apply anymore. they were written for a specific group during a specific time. they were the written law. not God's law. (especially deuteronomy)

    "being" a homosexual isn't a sin, on the otherhand, commiting homosexual ACTS are. for the same reason it's not ok to go around having sex with women you aren't married to (nor are planning to be with)the purpose of marriage is to have children, (which is why the church will cancel a marriage (see: enulment) if one of the partners is unable to have kids, or does not want to, if one of the couples wants to take this course of action of course) which is why its logical they do not recognise same sex marriages.

    it's easy to take the bible out of context if you dont learn the history. (the history is right there in the text)

    the key word here is "context"
    - c8r15 October 22, 2010, 6:24 am
    in the eyes of the bible a sin is a sin. no sin is better or worse than any other sin. so yes in the eyes of the bible murder is as bad as being gay. in real life we know they are not the same, but in the eyes of the bible all sins are the same. they are sin.
    - johnecash October 22, 2010, 6:47 am
    BIBLE DEBATE LET'S GOOOOO, it's been so long : ).

    Abomination in this context means literally unclean. Many scholars suggest that by saying unclean it is a reference to literally being dirty or diseased. A.k.a. anal sex is dangerous. Since people back then had no way of checking for disease really, didn't know about germ theory, many medications, etc, it was safer to tell people to not do things that made them dirty or diseased. Like anal sex. Or like eating pork.

    Where is it that the bible says homosexuality is a sin? Seems like you are just outright stating it with no backing X D.
    - Logos385 October 22, 2010, 6:49 am
    And, in light of my comment above, can you point to somewhere in the bible that states that committing homosexual acts is a sinful practice?
    - Logos385 October 22, 2010, 8:03 am
    gladly:

    "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.'" (NIV, Mark 7:20-23)

    sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. (NIV, Galatians 5:19-21)

    It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; (TNIV, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5)

    to name a few. these are from the NT and are very applicable to christians. and if you want a clear definition of "sexual immorality", the first passage i listed, the word "adulterer" is used, but in a more accurate translation would be "sodomite"
    - c8r15 October 22, 2010, 9:15 am
    you should look up the difference between a mortal sin and a venial sin. a priest explained to me when i was young "stealing $2 from a store is a sin, but a venial sin, stealing $2 from a homeless man would be a mortal sin" ... But the bible also teaches that all sins are forgivable, (some speculate that suicide is unforgivable because there is no chance, but this is speculation, no man is meant to make those kinds of statments) and that the ONLY being fit to judge us is God himself, we should not be judging eachother.
    - c8r15 October 22, 2010, 9:22 am
    i don't recall the bible in any way shape or form giving sin a pecking order. though you are correct that sins can be forgiven.
    - johnecash October 22, 2010, 10:29 am
    Gotta give it to you on this one. I've been convinced as of late that the New Testament doesn't prohibit homosexuality. It's still gross, but not really a sin as far as I can tell.
    - Ertrov October 22, 2010, 6:28 pm
    I'll take it, haha : ).

    I appreciate those who review their own opinions and have the balls to even consider changing them. I fluctuate stuff all the time, but am sometimes a little too stuck in my ways.
    - Logos385 October 24, 2010, 8:25 am
    The word "homosexuality" didn't appear in the Bible until (I think) 1947. Possibly off by a few years. What translation uses sodomite here? I have been looking and can't find any. And I have searched for extraneous translations/discussions on these verses, and find definitions for Sexual Immorality as fornication, adultery, etc, but never as homosexuality.

    Where are you getting that?
    - Logos385 October 24, 2010, 8:30 am
    *points to a high ledge* s-s-s-s-SNIP-
    - Nightfang October 24, 2010, 4:40 pm
    Christians these days, it's like they think the bible is a sofware license agreement. They skip to the last page and say "I agree".
    - sickness January 14, 2011, 12:04 pm
    You just read the big words and the really important parts.
    - XxDaminalsxX January 14, 2011, 12:11 pm
    the Bible is like a software license agreement. No actually reads it, they just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree"
    - dragonguy91 April 23, 2011, 10:17 pm
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    meh we have an unspoken saying up here in Vermont "if it don't affect me I don't give a shit" this is true for most Vermonters.

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    READING?!?!?! NO!!!!! XD

    • Mizuno
    • June 5, 2010, 1:00 am
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    we kinda just skim through and take it from there

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    Holy epic win. But it does just say man w/ man... nothing against woman w/ woman.

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    that my friend earns you a +2 for finding it and a +1 for taking the time to share it :)

    • gw2250
    • June 4, 2010, 1:34 pm
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    I feel the same way man

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    also if God created everything like the bible says then he created homosexuality so really the bible contradicts itself

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    Your english looks fine to me, and I concur.

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    Hey I read the bible a lot. The fact of the matter is that being homosexual is a sin, but its no different than being a liar or a cheater or a murderer or a thief or any of the other things that are sins. People are simply sinners; all of us and I'm not going to look down on anyone who is a sinner because frankly i am one myself

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    My interpretation: Let the gays be gay. I dont give a fuck what the bible says, the can live their own lives. I dont give a flying shit if their going to hell or not.

    Im just worried 'bout myself and if I get to drink Martini's in the clouds.

    • rain42
    • October 22, 2010, 3:27 am
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    let he who is without sin cast the first stone

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    Reading the bible is like cramming for a test. Just memorize the stuff someone else bolded, ignore the rest.

    This is an awesome ownage.

    • Albane
    • October 22, 2010, 7:49 am
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    i fell like im in church

    • hightec
    • October 24, 2010, 10:47 am
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    I have read the bible and I have chosen that the westboro baptists churches depiction of hell is the best because all of the good stuff is there and they aren't, so I will see all of you in hell for the comedy, music, and movie festival.

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    ~IWouldTurnQueerForThat....Dude?

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    dear god this is so true. Morals have more say than religion for me and my crowd any day.

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    Well, I read the Bible: there is a part for Jews and another part to Christians. Jewish laws are obsolete after Jesuschrist, and by the new testament he says that all we are free. Everybody who says "Bible says…" should shut up from now. In the case God exists, he'd love all his creation, and he won't even create anything he won't love. So homosexuality is not a sin (also, being bi isn't a sin either, I'm saved ^^)

    PS: How is my english?

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    It seems like when someone who is christian doesn't like something, they'll just say that the bible says it's wrong.

    • Kojira
    • June 5, 2010, 11:20 am
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    nextime maybe do a little research before ya talk outta yer ass like that mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk

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    Homo +3, Bible Thumpers 0

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    All of the things she was referring to are in the old testament, which is the old covenant with Abraham. When Jesus came he made a new covenant which changed all that. I like how she tried to sound like a Bible scholar and left that distinction out. . .

    that what all people do when talking about the bible. they read certain parts and leave others out.
    - johnecash October 11, 2010, 6:57 pm
    Yep it's a shame . . .
    - imfrikknbad October 11, 2010, 7:12 pm
    So the bible contradicts itself?
    - Dannyl October 22, 2010, 2:26 am
    No, there is a distinction between Old Testament and New for a reason. The old covenant was made new when Jesus came and made the new one, changing certain practices.
    - imfrikknbad October 22, 2010, 6:20 am
    Why did they need to be changed? Was the bible WRONG? xD
    - Dannyl October 22, 2010, 6:22 am
    i like to call these people "buffet Christians." since they only pick and choose what parts they want to believe, what is convenient for them.
    - johnecash October 22, 2010, 6:49 am
    Ah, and here YOU are ignoring the parts you want to ignore "imfrikknbad."

    Let me pull a few outta my ass...
    Luke 16:17 [KJV]- "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."

    Matthew 5:18-19 [KJV]- "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth ass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
    A.K.A, stone your kids.

    You either take the old testament laws or leave them. Ya can't hate gays and play football. Or have a round haircut and forbid the wearing of mixed fabrics.

    I personally, prefer to not discriminate against any group while keeping my hair the way I want it, AND eating pork, keeping my children alive, and enjoying underarmor. But, that's just me.
    - Logos385 October 22, 2010, 6:59 am
    I didn't ignore anything I just stated that there is a difference between Old Testament(Jewish) laws and New Testament laws.
    I personally don't discriminate against anybody, if you want to be gay by all means go ahead it's none of my business.
    - imfrikknbad October 22, 2010, 9:27 am
    @ Dannyl
    The laws were changed because Jesus brought new teachings, that through him salvation could be obtained instead of following all of those laws. So with a huge change like that, things had to be changed.
    And a little note to people who want to start crap on here, I'm not here to argue about religion, I'm just answering your question. :)
    - imfrikknbad October 22, 2010, 9:33 am
    people think they can skim through the bible and fully understand it and all of its context. there are people that spend their entire lives studying certain scriptures. there are schools about the book of deuteronomy.

    when people that have a motive against christians try to use the bible against them, the arrogance and ego is just a shining example of their true mentality.

    i've read many sites defaming christianity, pretending to be know-it-alls about the bible. and i have yet to find an argument that actually holds water. (pending a small amount of research)
    - c8r15 October 22, 2010, 9:42 am
    Imfrikkinbad: I apologize for assumptions. I thought for your former comment you were in agreement with a different viewpoint, my bad.
    But, while the laws are different, both kinds are in effect, was my point.
    - Logos385 October 22, 2010, 6:20 pm
    I assume this was directed at me, as it was a reply to my comment.

    I consider myself fairly well-versed in the Bible. I also have read many biblical scholars, taken classes, etc.

    I also noticed you didn't reply in the slightest to my argument that apparently doesn't hold water.

    I'm sorry my arrogance and ego are bothering you so much. I find that surprising seeing as this is my first time interacting with you on here (I think). I find it arrogant and egotistical to make a blanket statement about people who disagree with you and discount their arguments without actually examining them, assuming they are worthless.
    - Logos385 October 22, 2010, 6:27 pm
    No problem man ;)
    - imfrikknbad October 24, 2010, 10:35 am
    Sweet. Love the avatar.
    - Logos385 October 24, 2010, 1:53 pm
    Haha thanks it is pretty legit
    - imfrikknbad October 24, 2010, 4:07 pm
    you kno a football is now made of leather right? no longer pig skin!
    - had5244888 January 14, 2011, 4:09 am
    Haha, yes, yes I do. Apologies : P.
    - Logos385 January 14, 2011, 10:13 am
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