England - Where hard work is punished
Today i was at work and i was collecting a pay slip and i discovered that i was paying a shit load of tax as well as national insurance, although this may seem the norm in America as well as in other countries it makes me angry.
And im not angry because a percentage of my hard earned money is going to a good cause such as building a hospital or a school, but it is going to some no good low life which leeches from this money because they are simply too lazy to find a job and they spend all the money they get on alcohol and drugs and generally make the public look untidy.
It just seems to me that in the England you can go straight from school to claiming money from MY money that I have earned just because they cannot be bothered to work, and these people dont have to worry about paying bills either, they get a council house which may not be the best place to live but considering they dont have jobs they certainly dont have it bad.
Is it me or does anybody on here from England feel the same as me? because it seems like we all just get on with it without taking a step back and looking at this bullshit happen.
And im not angry because a percentage of my hard earned money is going to a good cause such as building a hospital or a school, but it is going to some no good low life which leeches from this money because they are simply too lazy to find a job and they spend all the money they get on alcohol and drugs and generally make the public look untidy.
It just seems to me that in the England you can go straight from school to claiming money from MY money that I have earned just because they cannot be bothered to work, and these people dont have to worry about paying bills either, they get a council house which may not be the best place to live but considering they dont have jobs they certainly dont have it bad.
Is it me or does anybody on here from England feel the same as me? because it seems like we all just get on with it without taking a step back and looking at this bullshit happen.
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Posted: 2010-08-29 14:42:28
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I'm from England, pay tax, have a job and know plenty of people on benefits and they don't live lives of luxury and they don't just spend their money on booze and drugs fuck me i spend more money on booze and drugs than they do mainly because they're living off relatively fuck all, if living off of benefits was easy why do you think the majority of the public don't? And a lot of the time people are physichaly or mentally unable to work or there just aren't any jobs. If you want my oppinion pull your head out your arse and stop believing what the human filth known as the tabloids tell you.
Yeah i'm with hippyboy. The system is great. People who cannot work for whatever reason deserve to be taken care of and receive the basic necessities of life. The flaw is that there are people who take advantage of the system but that will always be the case. The government can, and do, try to find these people are push them towards work but at the end of the day we won't just say 'fine, fuck you. on the street you go.'
People might say we're too nice with our unemployed but i'd much rather be kind and giving to all of them than none of them.
Not sure how much sense that made, it was just a badly thought out rant. but i think my point got across, fingers crossed xD
People might say we're too nice with our unemployed but i'd much rather be kind and giving to all of them than none of them.
Not sure how much sense that made, it was just a badly thought out rant. but i think my point got across, fingers crossed xD
I'm against both comments.
A large percentage of people on benefits abuse the system, and whilst yes it is a fantastic idea, and i am happy to pay for those who truly need it, paying for the scum disgusts me.
There are truly to many people abusing this system, and to HippyBoys comment "if it was that easy more people would do it" is completely false. If you had the oputunity now to never have to work again, yet have all the stuff you could want yet had to live on a council estate, you would simply say no. Hard working people such as ourselves should not be penalised to pay for those who simply chose not to work. Where is the motivation for future generations if this were to continue? "look son, you can either try your hardest in school and end up with little money or you can slack around, get in trouble with the police and have your house/food/worries paid for you" If the benefits don't change, Englands not looking to good.
Maybe its just me, but if i were to work my ass of when i was younger, go to college/university and so forth, and end up earning £100,000 a year, why should the majority of my pay go towards the poor, especially the 'poor' who chose not to work because they cannot be bothered. These people need to be required to work to earn there benefits (note: only those who do not need benefits, and are to lazy) Paying for the unfortunate, i have no problem.
I agree with this post completely, and have been mulling things over in my head recent years, and only recently have i come to the conclusion i am no longer proud to be english, and i no longer want to live here.
The benefit system is a disgrace
A large percentage of people on benefits abuse the system, and whilst yes it is a fantastic idea, and i am happy to pay for those who truly need it, paying for the scum disgusts me.
There are truly to many people abusing this system, and to HippyBoys comment "if it was that easy more people would do it" is completely false. If you had the oputunity now to never have to work again, yet have all the stuff you could want yet had to live on a council estate, you would simply say no. Hard working people such as ourselves should not be penalised to pay for those who simply chose not to work. Where is the motivation for future generations if this were to continue? "look son, you can either try your hardest in school and end up with little money or you can slack around, get in trouble with the police and have your house/food/worries paid for you" If the benefits don't change, Englands not looking to good.
Maybe its just me, but if i were to work my ass of when i was younger, go to college/university and so forth, and end up earning £100,000 a year, why should the majority of my pay go towards the poor, especially the 'poor' who chose not to work because they cannot be bothered. These people need to be required to work to earn there benefits (note: only those who do not need benefits, and are to lazy) Paying for the unfortunate, i have no problem.
I agree with this post completely, and have been mulling things over in my head recent years, and only recently have i come to the conclusion i am no longer proud to be english, and i no longer want to live here.
The benefit system is a disgrace
Oh don't get us wrong. I think i speak for both of us, but maybe not as i don't really know hippyboy, when i say we greatly dislike the people who abuse the system and get away with it. We're simply stating that it's there for a purpose and it is doing good in the world, even though that good is overshadowed by people abusing it. I'd personally rather have the benefit system and know that there are people who genuinely need help to get by, even if those particular people are only getting some of my money. it's better than nothing and so long as the people who need help are getting help i'm happy.
It's like if you have a classroom which is mainly full of idiots who are just messing around, unwilling to learn and disrupting the class. The teacher doesn't just refuse to teach the entire class, she'll carry on teaching for the few people in the room who have the desire to learn.
It's like if you have a classroom which is mainly full of idiots who are just messing around, unwilling to learn and disrupting the class. The teacher doesn't just refuse to teach the entire class, she'll carry on teaching for the few people in the room who have the desire to learn.
yep i agree. they were going to rethink the dole system so that people who ACTUALLY cant work or cant get work will get money, but those who arent trying will not get paid.
however, i believe nick clegg wouldnt let cameron do this. DO'H!
and the same for immigrants. they shouldnt be able to get benefits or income support of ANY kind, they shouldnt get a council flat/house or priority to these things. they should have to WORK here for at least 2 years before leeching from taxpayers money.
however, i believe nick clegg wouldnt let cameron do this. DO'H!
and the same for immigrants. they shouldnt be able to get benefits or income support of ANY kind, they shouldnt get a council flat/house or priority to these things. they should have to WORK here for at least 2 years before leeching from taxpayers money.
i agree with you completely!!!! im not from england but they do the same thing here in america, especially with a democratic president. i think that there are many ppl who need financial help but this is no way to handle it. especially wen ur taking the money from other ppl it will just drive them into the same hole the first ppl are in!
its the same in the states, thats why alot of people here oppose things like public healthcare, etc (theyre easily corrupted). democrats (especially in local government) are notorious for trading votes for free housing, etc. i work for the city government and i see people pull up to the welfare offices to pickup a check, while theyre driving escalades and H2 hummers. i know for a fact that alot of our local governments provide housing to homeless people. and while you think theyre "government" housing, theyre not. the government is actually paying their monthly rent, which many have deals with landlords so theyre paying amounts like $1200/mo in a shitty area, per appartment. providing tens of thousands of people homes this way. after food vouchers, FREE HEALTHCARE (theyve been getting it for a long time!!! if you cannot afford what the hospital did to save your life, they work out a deal, if youre piss poor, they take it as a loss and pass it along to the rest of the people that use the hospital.)i've benefited from this when i had no money and got hit by a car (hit and run) its part of an oath doctors take, to not refuse treatment (among other things). i agree with this, its the right thing to do. but there are people who slip through the cracks and fake their income status and take advantage of hospitals.
and to hippyboy: the mentally unstable people in this country have "public health facilities" (which are abismal), but where are these people's families? it's their job to take care of them. if they leave them for dead, then its THEM, not the government that left them for dead. its not the government's job to take care of these people, if you feel that SOMEONE should take care of them, then why dont you start a charity? and EVERYONE isnt taking advantage of this system is because most people arent so lazy, disgusting, and selfish that they would want to take advantage of the tax payers like that! but believe me, its not difficult to scam the system like that... just ask any city worker. ive seen the unmarried "wives" (meaning they live together, but only the husband works) of some city workers, standing in line at the welfare office, and when i say "some" i mean almost everyone in line was related to soemone that works for the city here. the person i was there with worked for the city for 36 years... he knew alot of his fellow teamsters personally...
just thinking about it makes me want to squirt blood out of my eyes!
and then i see people on TV like Jay-Z, wearing $100,000 shoes, earings worth more than my house, and designer suits, telling people they should be donating money. while i struggle to make rent, and still find the time to donate $20 a week to my churches food box.
AAAAAAAGH!!!
and to hippyboy: the mentally unstable people in this country have "public health facilities" (which are abismal), but where are these people's families? it's their job to take care of them. if they leave them for dead, then its THEM, not the government that left them for dead. its not the government's job to take care of these people, if you feel that SOMEONE should take care of them, then why dont you start a charity? and EVERYONE isnt taking advantage of this system is because most people arent so lazy, disgusting, and selfish that they would want to take advantage of the tax payers like that! but believe me, its not difficult to scam the system like that... just ask any city worker. ive seen the unmarried "wives" (meaning they live together, but only the husband works) of some city workers, standing in line at the welfare office, and when i say "some" i mean almost everyone in line was related to soemone that works for the city here. the person i was there with worked for the city for 36 years... he knew alot of his fellow teamsters personally...
just thinking about it makes me want to squirt blood out of my eyes!
and then i see people on TV like Jay-Z, wearing $100,000 shoes, earings worth more than my house, and designer suits, telling people they should be donating money. while i struggle to make rent, and still find the time to donate $20 a week to my churches food box.
AAAAAAAGH!!!
Whell c8r15 you make some valid points, but i believe that it is the goverments job to care for their country and every single one of its inhabitants be they legal citizens or not. Obviously less so if they are here illegaly but they're still people at the end of the day and they'll be here for a valid reason 99% of the time, so any citizen be they mentally handicaped or inable to work or just downright fucking lazy deserves some level of care, the highest on the list? People who physichaly can't or are not mentally stable enough to fit in with our view of society and if their families have abondened them why should the person abbandoned suffer for the families failures as humans? I do not plan to start a charity as that's sadly not how i personaly want to spend my life but i donate to causes i feel are worthy again that's my personal feelings for instance i donated half my months wages to haiti and donate when i can afford it to charities in britain that help the aged, impared and the vunerable children of our county (The United Kingdom, England)
As for people who are either too lazy to hold down a job or make their money illegaly ie drug dealing and the like then why shouldn't they be given some money to live and be supported don't you want people to be happy and live good lives? Of course i'm not saying give them all the luxuries and in England at least i can vouge that they do not of course you see some people on benefits with fancy expensive cars and contents of their flat/shite house but usualy their making money illegaly and most of the time are caught and the price to pay usualy out weighs the benefits.
And you say it makes you angry to see Jay-z and the like on television telling people to donate money to others... Now this i could understand if you did not then say you donate to your church and struggle to make rent, firstly it's not their fault they were more succesful than you in life they will most likely have put the necessary work in to get where they are or have the talent required although usualy couppled with living in a good area etc most of the time that isn't their fault and as i'm guessing here you're a Christian aren't some of the main points of christianity to not envy thy neighbour, or something of that ilke and to be thankful for what you have?
And so fucking what if these celbrities use their fame to try and raise donations? I say good for them they're actualy using their influence to try and get people to be charitable to others why is that so wrong? especialy as they usualy donate a reasnoble amount of money to.
You know people like you make me go AAAAAAAGH!!! You think everyones life is easy? No ones life is easy there are the lows and the highs having a go at other people won't change your life only you can change your life.
As for people who are either too lazy to hold down a job or make their money illegaly ie drug dealing and the like then why shouldn't they be given some money to live and be supported don't you want people to be happy and live good lives? Of course i'm not saying give them all the luxuries and in England at least i can vouge that they do not of course you see some people on benefits with fancy expensive cars and contents of their flat/shite house but usualy their making money illegaly and most of the time are caught and the price to pay usualy out weighs the benefits.
And you say it makes you angry to see Jay-z and the like on television telling people to donate money to others... Now this i could understand if you did not then say you donate to your church and struggle to make rent, firstly it's not their fault they were more succesful than you in life they will most likely have put the necessary work in to get where they are or have the talent required although usualy couppled with living in a good area etc most of the time that isn't their fault and as i'm guessing here you're a Christian aren't some of the main points of christianity to not envy thy neighbour, or something of that ilke and to be thankful for what you have?
And so fucking what if these celbrities use their fame to try and raise donations? I say good for them they're actualy using their influence to try and get people to be charitable to others why is that so wrong? especialy as they usualy donate a reasnoble amount of money to.
You know people like you make me go AAAAAAAGH!!! You think everyones life is easy? No ones life is easy there are the lows and the highs having a go at other people won't change your life only you can change your life.
Its not necessarily that their lives are hard. Sitting on your arse and getting checks seems kinda nice to me!
I personally know a woman that still gets checks from the government for a work-related injury, and she just bought a new house and a Lamborghini. Her husband is a janitor, so the money is obviously not coming from him.
I'm not saying that homeless people should not be taken care of, but the thought that I should have to work and other people that don't work or are too lazy to work get a part of my paycheck is ludicrous. If I work, it is my money. That is the way that every system should be. I see no reason for a lazy person to get a part of my paycheck.
And to answer your question, no! I don't want a lazy person to live a great life! Whoever it is can get up and get a job same as everyone else and earn his own great life. Druggies can go to rehab centers, which in most cases, will take care of you for free is you can't pay them back (Hippocratic oath).
I do see your point that celebrities are doing good by trying to raise money, but there is something to be said about hypocrisy. You can't tell me to donate money when you are wearing those $100,000 shoes! Do you expect me to believe that you actually care about the poor if you spend that kind of money on things that don't matter.
And for oyur information, the Christian ideal is to love thy neighbor as yourself, and the world would be a better place if everyone did that. But the fact is, we can't get everyone to be like that. Greed exists in way to many circumstances. Sitting around mooching off other people's wages is gluttony, and thats a mortal sin too!
I personally know a woman that still gets checks from the government for a work-related injury, and she just bought a new house and a Lamborghini. Her husband is a janitor, so the money is obviously not coming from him.
I'm not saying that homeless people should not be taken care of, but the thought that I should have to work and other people that don't work or are too lazy to work get a part of my paycheck is ludicrous. If I work, it is my money. That is the way that every system should be. I see no reason for a lazy person to get a part of my paycheck.
And to answer your question, no! I don't want a lazy person to live a great life! Whoever it is can get up and get a job same as everyone else and earn his own great life. Druggies can go to rehab centers, which in most cases, will take care of you for free is you can't pay them back (Hippocratic oath).
I do see your point that celebrities are doing good by trying to raise money, but there is something to be said about hypocrisy. You can't tell me to donate money when you are wearing those $100,000 shoes! Do you expect me to believe that you actually care about the poor if you spend that kind of money on things that don't matter.
And for oyur information, the Christian ideal is to love thy neighbor as yourself, and the world would be a better place if everyone did that. But the fact is, we can't get everyone to be like that. Greed exists in way to many circumstances. Sitting around mooching off other people's wages is gluttony, and thats a mortal sin too!
I just read the last part as hippyboy seems to have covered just about everything anyway. But just to help you with your faith in mankind:
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is it just me or does that guy look way to clean and has some pretty decent clothes on to be "homeless"
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