A new evidence reveals that Jesus was married

evidence jesus was married


Harvard Divinity School (USA), Professor Karena L. King in Rome at the International Research Conference on Coptic announced an exciting discovery. This ancient Egyptian Christians - Copts - written in ancient papyrus fragment, which states that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married.

So since Bible is based on Jesus celibacy, this changes its validity.

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  • sowhat
  • September 19, 2012, 10:17 am
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    King herself states that this has no bearing on any historical claim of Jesus's marriage status. Furthermore, there is virtually no historical evidence whatsoever for the Jesus character's existence.
    Finally, the historicity of the Bible does not hinge on Jesus's celibacy, but rather on the amount of historical evidence we can amass that supports the claims within the text.

    isn't this some sort of evidence that jesus existed? im pretty sure there are many historical documents that show that jesus, and many of his apostles, were real.
    - beanertroll September 19, 2012, 2:07 pm
    There are Roman Census documents confirming the birth of Jesus of Nazareth and the same man being crucified. The question of did he life has been answered since his birth. The question of what he did is another story.
    - johnecash September 19, 2012, 2:31 pm
    That's simply untrue. There are two historical documents usually linked to Jesus's existence: a single paragraph in the writings of Josephus and a tangentially related passage in Pliny the Younger's work. Neither of which are definitive, both of which are possibly fabricated.
    - Logos385 September 19, 2012, 9:24 pm
    Every time I have seen claims of an actual census confirming Jesus's existence, no one ever has a source or knows where that info. comes from. So, my question: do you have a source? Can you point me to the actual document? Because in my experience, there is next to no evidence for the historical Jesus.
    - Logos385 September 19, 2012, 9:26 pm
    You're allowed to believe whatever you want. Whether he existed or not, I believe he is/was/could have been a great role model to follow.
    - beanertroll September 19, 2012, 10:04 pm
    Some research you must do on your own. The church of google does not know all.
    - johnecash September 19, 2012, 11:32 pm
    Yes, I also tend to consider people who think they're the son of god to be good role models, and not crazy at all.
    - Ertrov September 20, 2012, 1:12 am
    In other words, you don't know what you're talking about.
    - Ertrov September 20, 2012, 1:12 am
    You also tend to take things out of context.
    - beanertroll September 20, 2012, 6:52 am
    Or I am tired of doing the work you are too lazy to do. Bring a man a fish he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime. It's time to learn to fish my friend and not just have me bring it to you.
    - johnecash September 20, 2012, 9:15 am
    You are of course welcome to believe whatever you want, including that he existed. However, if you don't actually have evidence or know of "historical documents" that affirm Jesus's existence, it is dishonest to claim that you do.

    Furthermore, Jesus not only accepted but affirmed slavery, encouraged many to leave their families, introduced the concept of Hell as a punishment, and more. In order to claim him as a role model, I would suggest scrutinizing his actions more closely.
    - Logos385 September 20, 2012, 10:49 am
    The issue is that I have done the research. And this census document just doesn't exist. There are many census documents that do exist, of course, just none that actually affirm the existence of a Jesus of Nazareth.

    To provide evidence and then shirk the responsibility of providing a source is to not produce evidence.
    - Logos385 September 20, 2012, 10:51 am
    Not really. If someone- basically anyone, came up to you and said, "I am the son of god, sell all of your belongings, give away all of your money, never contact your family again, and follow me" I'm pretty sure you would brand that person as crazy immediately. To think of Jesus being treated differently in that sort of situation is just giving special context to the would-be messiah you favor.
    - Logos385 September 20, 2012, 10:53 am
    I love it, you can't find it after searching the first page of Google results, so it must not exists. Sound logic.
    - johnecash September 20, 2012, 11:45 am
    I mean to say that I've gone to seminars, searched in many academic libraries, and spent months scouring the internet searching. I've talked to religious figures who agree with me. This is something I researched for quite some time... before this post existed.

    Now, please stop condescending and provide what any intellectual discussion demands of you: a source. Seriously.
    - Logos385 September 20, 2012, 3:08 pm
    You can drop the condescension. I have done the research, and I think we both know you were talking out of your ass. Logos called you on it, so rather than do the mature thing and say, "You're right, I don't have actual evidence to back up my claims of such a document existing", you pretended to instead be apparently teaching us a lesson in how to research. Give it up, man. You're not impressing anyone.
    - Ertrov September 20, 2012, 8:28 pm
    I am going to take the extended silence as admission that you have no actual evidence, yet are too prideful to outright say so.
    - Logos385 September 24, 2012, 12:09 pm
    Didn't know I was on a timer, but back to your point. I am sorry that because you have yet to see the evidence you assume its not out there. Some times you must do a little research and other times it falls in your lap. I have see even the history channel say otherwise among other sources within the last six months.
    - johnecash September 24, 2012, 1:24 pm
    Etrov, we've both been on this site long enough to know he'll NEVER do that. That would require being somewhat humble and reasonable. I know sometimes I'm the poster-boy for being a condescending prick, but at least I back down when I'm wrong. Johnecash on the other hand...
    - CrazyJay September 27, 2012, 10:18 am
    Plus one for admitting you are the poster boy for being a condescending prick.
    - johnecash September 27, 2012, 10:21 am
    You are correct I don't have any thing in my posession. I have been shown things though. So sorry the most recent episode i saw was on the history channel about 6 months to a year ago.
    - johnecash September 27, 2012, 10:54 am
    Thank you, a source! A documentary on the history channel at some point within the past six months. Well, not exactly a source... but at least you provided something along with your unwarranted and unhelpful condescension. So, what evidence did this source provide? Can you point me to a bibliography for that documentary so I may review it? Do you know the title, producer, or author for that documentary? All of these things are necessary (and more) to validate a source. Have you done this work? I have on everything I have found on this topic. Yet you say I am lacking in research?
    - Logos385 September 27, 2012, 1:35 pm
    When I was not even looking for it I found the answer to your question. I am sorry but no i don't note everything I watch. Do you? At the time of the doccumentary the sources were valid. Sorry i did make notes on the doccumentary just incase one day in the future we may be talking. If you have have not found the information you are looking for, and I find it by not even trying, you are lacking in research. Rejoice! It means there is more to learn than what you already know.
    - johnecash September 27, 2012, 2:08 pm
    You're telling us this whole exchange was over something you saw on the History channel nearly a year ago? (Which is notorious for inaccuracy anyways?) That was your ace in the hole? As for what you've "been shown", if you don't have it in your possession (in other words, can't prove a damn thing) why defend this so strongly?

    I'm sorry but this is all I can offer now:



    I feel embarrassed for everyone who wasted the time typing in this thread. (Including myself.)

    - CrazyJay September 27, 2012, 7:55 pm
    Yes I know it silly of me not to journal and log everything I see and read.
    - johnecash September 27, 2012, 8:44 pm
    Person A claims that X exists. Person A claims that solid evidence of X is readily available and convincing. Person B questions said evidence, mentions popularized evidence that is flawed, and discusses the extent to which said evidence for X doesn't actually exist.

    Person A fails to provide evidence for X, yet berates B for not accepting X anyway.

    Person B laughs, feels bad for A's failure to understand/engage in intellectual discussion, and leaves the conversation until person A admits their failure to support X.
    - Logos385 September 27, 2012, 9:41 pm
    The History Channel?

    ...Oh, this is rich.
    - Ertrov September 27, 2012, 10:49 pm
    Good to know we are both laughing then.
    - johnecash September 28, 2012, 9:29 am
    No i said the most recent evidence i saw was there. Those who take the time will find the answer. Those who don't are 99.99% of the net.
    - johnecash September 28, 2012, 9:30 am
    David Koresh (Waco, Texas, USA) also existed. The difference between them ... oh, I guess there is no difference.
    - UirkME October 10, 2012, 10:46 pm
    Yeah there is. David Koresh is a huge faggot, Jesus wasn't.
    - MalverdeAl100 October 10, 2012, 10:47 pm
    ...What? lol.
    - Logos385 October 11, 2012, 12:34 pm
    When people still talk about David Koresh thousands of years from now and has millions of followers you can compare him to Jesus.
    - beanertroll October 14, 2012, 2:46 pm
    And when he never existed. You forgot that requirement.
    - Ertrov October 14, 2012, 6:23 pm
    you're right. you have convinced me. i am now an atheist. thank you for enlightening me.
    - beanertroll October 14, 2012, 9:08 pm
    That's what I'm here for: angering the faithful and playing Pandemic 2.
    - Ertrov October 14, 2012, 9:52 pm
    it's all good fun. i really don't get offended by anyone's beliefs. I'm just here to anger all the non faithful and play games.
    - beanertroll October 14, 2012, 11:04 pm
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    wait... doesnt celibacy means not having sex anymore? i know plenty of married people who dont have sex anymore lol

    Celibate means not married or sexually active.
    - casper667 September 19, 2012, 11:22 pm
    thought it was just about sex lol or not having sex until theyre married
    - xxkisamexx September 20, 2012, 7:36 am
    No, that's abstinence.
    - Disco September 20, 2012, 8:38 am
    not if youve already had sex before then its celibate
    - xxkisamexx September 20, 2012, 10:09 am
    Celibate means NEVER having sex or getting married EVER. Abstinence means you are temporarily abstaining from sex(usually until marriage).
    - casper667 September 20, 2012, 5:32 pm
    Celibacy actually just means not being married. It's been transformed into symbolizing abstention due to religious vows. But technically, you can be celibate after having sex.
    - Logos385 September 20, 2012, 7:22 pm
    Maybe if you're a SINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    - casper667 October 8, 2012, 10:55 pm
    : ). [Assuming you are joking.]
    - Logos385 October 10, 2012, 10:34 am
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    In other news, recently discovered documents reveal Cthulhu graduated from Yale, and the Easter Bunny's favorite restaurant is Arby's.

    • Ertrov
    • October 8, 2012, 7:50 pm
    Was that supposed to be funny?


    - MalverdeAl100 October 8, 2012, 8:06 pm
    No, but this is.
    - Ertrov October 8, 2012, 8:41 pm
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