4 Year old suspended for long hair
What are your thoughts? Should this 4 year old be suspended or "segregated" because of the length of his hair?
My favorite Youtube comment on this matter (posted on jrock's rant):
"The fact this happened gave me a migraine.
So the girls in that school can have long hair, right? So that is giving one sex more rights than another. That, my friend is sexism.
I'm a guy, I've had long hair since the 6th grade, no one was "distracted". It's not like I was juggling new born puppies in class.
I would LOVE to see them do some studies to back up their Nazi-tard views." - Link10893
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He's 4. Why does anyone give a fuck how long his hair is? Now if this kid was older and in a private school, I'd understand if they want their students to look neat. But if this is a public school, (I'm guessing it is) this really shouldn't matter, especially when the kid can't even spell "presentable". Even if it is a private school, hair doesn't distract people. You know what does? Pretty girls. In my grade 10 English class, I wasn't distracted by the guy with the longest hair, I was too busy drooling over the cute red haired girl sitting next to me. Are schools going to suspend girls for being too pretty? Doubt it.
you have to see this. this interview was based on the doc. the war on kids. its 20 min, but its good. please watch.
How the school is wrong: First of all, suspending a little kid? Really? Moving on.
How the parents are wrong: First of all, I'm sure they read the dress code when they sent him there, so all they're doing is saying to the kid, (I'm paraphrasing) "it's ok, rules are for losers! If you don't want to obey the rules because you like your hair, you're more special than everyone else, so you can!"
Also, I couldn't help but laugh at his dad saying, "I don't see why I should be required to hold my son down and cut his hair against his will." Because that's the rules, stupid! You're basically saying, "I don't see why I should be required to exercise my right and duty as a parent to discipline my child, and teach him that he has to do things he doesn't want to, when people in authority tell him too."
And let's be frank. Just look as his parents. Call me a stereotyping jerk if you will, but just judging by their appearance and actions, they're rebels. They don't like being told what to do, and they think their son shouldn't have to go through that either. GROW UP.
In conclusion, the point isn't that the rule is stupid (which it is), the point is that they submitted to that rule when they signed him up for that school, and now they're required to abide by it. I just hope their kid ends up having more sense than his idiot parents.
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How the parents are wrong: First of all, I'm sure they read the dress code when they sent him there, so all they're doing is saying to the kid, (I'm paraphrasing) "it's ok, rules are for losers! If you don't want to obey the rules because you like your hair, you're more special than everyone else, so you can!"
Also, I couldn't help but laugh at his dad saying, "I don't see why I should be required to hold my son down and cut his hair against his will." Because that's the rules, stupid! You're basically saying, "I don't see why I should be required to exercise my right and duty as a parent to discipline my child, and teach him that he has to do things he doesn't want to, when people in authority tell him too."
And let's be frank. Just look as his parents. Call me a stereotyping jerk if you will, but just judging by their appearance and actions, they're rebels. They don't like being told what to do, and they think their son shouldn't have to go through that either. GROW UP.
In conclusion, the point isn't that the rule is stupid (which it is), the point is that they submitted to that rule when they signed him up for that school, and now they're required to abide by it. I just hope their kid ends up having more sense than his idiot parents.
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Whell when i went to secondary school (high school) i decided to go through a bit of a punk stage as a lot of teenagers do with their fashion tastes etc, i read the school dress code the rules about hair were and i quote "no un-natural hair colours and no logos shaved into the students hair" so no problem in the rules with it, whell as a 14 year old kid i wasn't prepared for the shit storm that ensued over just a god damn hair cut, i had teachers coming up to me privately and essentialy calling me stupid and troublesome because i had this hair cut, they ruled i wasn't allowed to stick it up only wear it flat which subsequently looked like a dead rat ontop of my head cue mass bullying and isolation for looking "like rat boy", one teacher saw sense and talked to me about how i felt and what my hair was about, he realised i was just being a kid and expressing myself not looking to start anarchy and suddenly burst into flames sprout horns a tail and go on a mass killing spree, he campaighned for me within the school got me to make a presentation to the governing council of the school, they decided hair is hair it doesn't matter as long as you're learning, however one particular powerful teacher decided she hadn't had enough fun as she crushed the life out of a puppy with her high heels, jet black hair (naturally grey hair) tons of make up, long earrings and short extreme haircut for a woman that i wasnt going to just go on happily went and got approval with the governor of the school and the head teacher and had me brought into the office and try and have my hair shaved there and then i feeling that this was bullying and wrong walked out from the office and went back to lesson i was suspended indefinetly until i shaved my hair a month later. So really the school made me lose some of my education and my social life because of a fucking hair cut, now you may say whell you should have done what they said but at 14 would you haver just gone oh ok to a haircut you saved up to get specially done and loved? If so don't even comment we weren't and aren't the same people.
The school after this incident brought in a rule stating no extreme hairtcuts.
The school after this incident brought in a rule stating no extreme hairtcuts.
Oh how I love the university system. No dress code beyond standard public attire.
I've had long hair since I was a senior in high school, and I have only cut it twice: Once for a big job interview, and once for a college theater production. Neither time was I forced to do it. The only people who gave me crap about my hair were my parents, both of whom are over 50, and they have since stopped bugging me about it.
I've seen young boys with hair down to the middle of their backs. I've seen young girls with buzzed heads. Is our society so gung-ho about conformity that your hair really matters?
I've had long hair since I was a senior in high school, and I have only cut it twice: Once for a big job interview, and once for a college theater production. Neither time was I forced to do it. The only people who gave me crap about my hair were my parents, both of whom are over 50, and they have since stopped bugging me about it.
I've seen young boys with hair down to the middle of their backs. I've seen young girls with buzzed heads. Is our society so gung-ho about conformity that your hair really matters?
I don't understand how long hair is a distraction. It's not like the kids sit there and stare at his hair all day long because it isn't short. I fell that letting a school dictate the length of one's hair is a bit extreme.
WHAT! speaking on behalf of long haired males, BURN THE SCHOOL TO THE GROUND.... its a form of discrimination.... you dont see schools suspending blacks for being black or asians for being asians..... its the exact same thing suspending someone for what they look like or the length of their hair... the parents would have a right mind to sue these bastards
I went to a private school for year 11 and 12 so obviously having short hair was a rule and girls had to have it tied up... but seriously a public school.... pathetic
I went to a private school for year 11 and 12 so obviously having short hair was a rule and girls had to have it tied up... but seriously a public school.... pathetic
Yeah this is kinda weird. Most schools have a rule against crazy hair like the guy in the video said, "liberty spikes or bright green", which is understandable because I can see how that would be distracting. But just long hair? That seems a bit redonkulus to me.
this reminds me of when a highschool kid (mexican) got suspended for having a little crappy mustache that he didnt want to shave, and his parents supported him (so it made the paper). i completely agree with you, if its an enforced rule, that everyone else follows, you should follow it too. if you have a problem with the rule, go somewhere else.
people today have a real problem with respect. when you go somewhere, the burden is on you to fit in. i notice this attitude in travelers, when they vacation somewhere, they try to make the place they traveled to as much like home as they can. (dont believe me? go to italy and go to any mcdonalds and see how pack full of tourists it is. whenever i find younger people that went to italy, they ask for parmesan when given a fish/pasta dish, the waiter will tell you "oh no, you dont want that, it doesnt go, it would be quite insulting to the chef" most younger people have the attitude "fuck you, i do what i want" instead of "oh, im sorry, i'll try it your guys' way, maybe i'll like it" instead of trying to immerse yourself in someone elses culture, people try bring the change...
i went to catholic high school (like i said), and we had some lesbian femenist who went to our school, and wore the boys uniform. whne she got in trouble, she turned it into some big civil rights movement. now if she felt that way about our way of life, why the HELL did she come to our school in the first place? (it was one of the only co-ed catholic schools in the city)
ugh... i hate people
by the way johnecash; i love how you got downrated for respectfully stating your opinion, just proves my point further about people's general narcissistic attitude
people today have a real problem with respect. when you go somewhere, the burden is on you to fit in. i notice this attitude in travelers, when they vacation somewhere, they try to make the place they traveled to as much like home as they can. (dont believe me? go to italy and go to any mcdonalds and see how pack full of tourists it is. whenever i find younger people that went to italy, they ask for parmesan when given a fish/pasta dish, the waiter will tell you "oh no, you dont want that, it doesnt go, it would be quite insulting to the chef" most younger people have the attitude "fuck you, i do what i want" instead of "oh, im sorry, i'll try it your guys' way, maybe i'll like it" instead of trying to immerse yourself in someone elses culture, people try bring the change...
i went to catholic high school (like i said), and we had some lesbian femenist who went to our school, and wore the boys uniform. whne she got in trouble, she turned it into some big civil rights movement. now if she felt that way about our way of life, why the HELL did she come to our school in the first place? (it was one of the only co-ed catholic schools in the city)
ugh... i hate people
by the way johnecash; i love how you got downrated for respectfully stating your opinion, just proves my point further about people's general narcissistic attitude
Were they? ...Then my argument has been negated. But to try and defend her still, I have to ask what the huge difference is between the boy and girl uniforms? If the only main difference is skirt vs dress pants (as some of these schools are, though the dress shirts are likely sized for each sex.) I fail to see the big deal.
On a side note, you made an interesting point about travelers in foreign countries. To be honest, I'm surprised people have that mentality. If I'm leaving home to travel, I want to experience another culture, otherwise why leave home to begin with?
On a side note, you made an interesting point about travelers in foreign countries. To be honest, I'm surprised people have that mentality. If I'm leaving home to travel, I want to experience another culture, otherwise why leave home to begin with?
so he tries to be nice and gets downrated anyway? ... and ive been on this site for a while, i just dont always comment. ive never noticed him start right out being disrespectful unless instigated. aside from when he responds to offense comments/posts aggressively... (just because theyre not offensive to you, doesnt mean they wont be offensive to someone else, obviously he took offense)
yes i tottaly agree. you know they make school dress codes for other reasons than to minimize distractions and generally piss children off. big BIG reasons, one of wich is to make sure children aren't bringing concealed weapons into schools
just watch this
just watch this
Oh, I didn't realize you could hide weapons in your _HAIR_ .
Also, I could make a video showing me pulling out 15 guns from my _backpack_ too, should backpacks be outlawed?
I guarentee if you pull out a gun from your backpack in class/hallways, you could create a massacre too.
Making sure NO ONE else in the entire school has a weapon besides a few police officers almost guarentees that whoever DOES bring a gun will be able to wreak havoc if they wanted too. I've went to a school where knives were condoned(it was a small school in a small ranching town, where everyone knew everyone), and not one knife attack happened.
Also, the bigger a school is(another school I went to was 2,500 students) the harder it is to enforce the dress code. Almost all my friends at that school also carried knives. HS students, in my experience of 4 highschools in 3 dif states, are smart enough to not use them in fights. In fact, Columbine was so disastrous because there were no defensive weapons to take the gunmen out, partially because no other students had any which can be linked to the dress code.
However, this topic is about hair, so concealed weapons in clothes is kind of off topic. I will say that the dress code for hair has NOTHING to do with cocnealed weapons, regardless of whether or not you agree with my previous statements. Therefore, they must be strictly for control of distractions, which I do not think hair is very distracting.
Also, I could make a video showing me pulling out 15 guns from my _backpack_ too, should backpacks be outlawed?
I guarentee if you pull out a gun from your backpack in class/hallways, you could create a massacre too.
Making sure NO ONE else in the entire school has a weapon besides a few police officers almost guarentees that whoever DOES bring a gun will be able to wreak havoc if they wanted too. I've went to a school where knives were condoned(it was a small school in a small ranching town, where everyone knew everyone), and not one knife attack happened.
Also, the bigger a school is(another school I went to was 2,500 students) the harder it is to enforce the dress code. Almost all my friends at that school also carried knives. HS students, in my experience of 4 highschools in 3 dif states, are smart enough to not use them in fights. In fact, Columbine was so disastrous because there were no defensive weapons to take the gunmen out, partially because no other students had any which can be linked to the dress code.
However, this topic is about hair, so concealed weapons in clothes is kind of off topic. I will say that the dress code for hair has NOTHING to do with cocnealed weapons, regardless of whether or not you agree with my previous statements. Therefore, they must be strictly for control of distractions, which I do not think hair is very distracting.
This is one step of many that schools will take to create a tottaly safe and distraction free environment. As for backpacks that is very true, but they could in the near future, ban backpacks. But as for now most schools will have to rely on good ol metal detectors. And I did not catch the hair one, where be it?
*edit* disregard that last sentence, as I did not read the whole thing because I was lazy. But As for your misunderstanding my point I will have to spell it out for u. I bring u this video because: his hair was to long, and he got suspended because his hair was in violation of dress code. And I believe these dress codes are good, not because because i am a nerdy little fuck (and I'm not). It is because they make sure that a kid like this^ doesn't pull a fucking shotgun out of his pants and kill 12 people. But sadly this does Not stop People from sneaking drugs into Schools in their Asses.
*edit* disregard that last sentence, as I did not read the whole thing because I was lazy. But As for your misunderstanding my point I will have to spell it out for u. I bring u this video because: his hair was to long, and he got suspended because his hair was in violation of dress code. And I believe these dress codes are good, not because because i am a nerdy little fuck (and I'm not). It is because they make sure that a kid like this^ doesn't pull a fucking shotgun out of his pants and kill 12 people. But sadly this does Not stop People from sneaking drugs into Schools in their Asses.
I did not realize I was not being calm, maybe NEXT TIME I'LL TYPE IN ALL CAPS LIKE YOU, SO I WILL LOOK CALM. MY APOLOGIES.
First:
I think it is fair to assume you cannot hide a weapon in your hair(or at least the hair the child had), so bringing up the entire point of safety for the topic at hand(long hair against dress code) is off-topic.
You are using the video, which is off-topic, to gain acceptance for the "long hair" dress code rule, which is a logical fallacy. You cannot introduce a new topic(safety) that is irrelevant to the current topic(long hair against dress code) and use the irrelevant topic(safety) as an arguement against a claim(that long hair should be allowed). This is called a Red Herring.
Second:
You are confusing "code" with "rule." You see, a dress code is actually multiple rules compiled into a code, hence the name "dress code" rather than "dress rule." You can change one rule in the code, like the long hair, while still keeping the no baggy clothing part unchanged, which would still make sure this kid didn't
"pull a fucking shotgun out of his pants and kill 12 people"
while allowing him to go to school even though he has long hair(which we have established is not hazardous to safety).
Third:
Since we have established
1. your video is off topic and therefore irrelevant to the current topic
2. You can change one rule in a code without changing other rules in the code
3. The long hair rule is not in place for safety reasons
I am assuming the only other reason it could be there is for distraction control reasons, although I invite you to debate this claim with relevant arguements. My personal opinion is that hair is not distracting, so I believe this rule should, at the very least, be updated to include less hairtypes outlawed, less harsh punishments, or scrapped altogether.
I would love to debate the matter of backpacks/baggy clothing being a safety hazard with you and whoever, however I do not think this thread is the place for it.
First:
I think it is fair to assume you cannot hide a weapon in your hair(or at least the hair the child had), so bringing up the entire point of safety for the topic at hand(long hair against dress code) is off-topic.
You are using the video, which is off-topic, to gain acceptance for the "long hair" dress code rule, which is a logical fallacy. You cannot introduce a new topic(safety) that is irrelevant to the current topic(long hair against dress code) and use the irrelevant topic(safety) as an arguement against a claim(that long hair should be allowed). This is called a Red Herring.
Second:
You are confusing "code" with "rule." You see, a dress code is actually multiple rules compiled into a code, hence the name "dress code" rather than "dress rule." You can change one rule in the code, like the long hair, while still keeping the no baggy clothing part unchanged, which would still make sure this kid didn't
"pull a fucking shotgun out of his pants and kill 12 people"
while allowing him to go to school even though he has long hair(which we have established is not hazardous to safety).
Third:
Since we have established
1. your video is off topic and therefore irrelevant to the current topic
2. You can change one rule in a code without changing other rules in the code
3. The long hair rule is not in place for safety reasons
I am assuming the only other reason it could be there is for distraction control reasons, although I invite you to debate this claim with relevant arguements. My personal opinion is that hair is not distracting, so I believe this rule should, at the very least, be updated to include less hairtypes outlawed, less harsh punishments, or scrapped altogether.
I would love to debate the matter of backpacks/baggy clothing being a safety hazard with you and whoever, however I do not think this thread is the place for it.
probably not, because i have not logged into sharenator in the last week. i suspect that my brother has found my passwords he likes to spout nonsense and then yell at people for disagreeing with him, in other words he is a troll. so i am sorry, and will be changing my password
i do agree with you it's a very off topic, although a very arguable point, it does not belong in this thread
i do agree with you it's a very off topic, although a very arguable point, it does not belong in this thread
i agree with u mofosho
not the third part, but the 1st and 2nd
not the third part, but the 1st and 2nd
I fought for ages
the teachers were all ways trying to get me to cut my hair
at least i wasnt suspended
+3 for him
the teachers were all ways trying to get me to cut my hair
at least i wasnt suspended
+3 for him
"So the girls in that school can have long hair, right? So that is giving one sex more rights than another. That, my friend is sexism."
THIS IS SO TRUE ^
THIS IS SO TRUE ^
I've went to a school in Texas with the "No long hair below eyebrows" and stuff, and it didn't really effect me because my hair is short.
Although, I have also went to a school in California that was too big to enforce dress code, and kids' hair was dyed w/e color they wanted(bright green included) and you could wear hats/hoods in class, and you could wear shortshorts and more revealing stuff(for girls) which girls could not wear at the Texas school.
And I must say, it was not distracting. If anything, it was actually more distracting to see kids change their style just for school, since that was not how I was used to seeing them.
But rules are rules, and you must follow them. It is best to learn this early in life, as it will benefit you greatly. If you want to change rules, there are usually better ways to go about it than breaking them, as that will likely hurt your cause.
Although, I have also went to a school in California that was too big to enforce dress code, and kids' hair was dyed w/e color they wanted(bright green included) and you could wear hats/hoods in class, and you could wear shortshorts and more revealing stuff(for girls) which girls could not wear at the Texas school.
And I must say, it was not distracting. If anything, it was actually more distracting to see kids change their style just for school, since that was not how I was used to seeing them.
But rules are rules, and you must follow them. It is best to learn this early in life, as it will benefit you greatly. If you want to change rules, there are usually better ways to go about it than breaking them, as that will likely hurt your cause.
so petitioning is a better way of changing things than students storming the school lobby or the lobby of the district building because even Gandhi wanted a violent revolution for india but peaceful protests were the second option.
Yes. What would students storming the district office do other than prove they are immature and end up with a few detentions/arrests depending on how escalated the situation was?
If Ghandi had gone the violent route, it is very likely things would not have changed and we would not know about him today, and if we did it would be because he would either be known as a terrorist, just like everyone else who tries to use fear to scare their opponents into submitting, or because he would have started a war.
When have you ever gotten your way from thowing a fit? I'm guessing not very often after you reached age 3. By using this tactic, you're the aggressor, which is not a good thing to be.
However, if you got a majority of the parents to petition the school, things would change almost everytime.
If Ghandi had gone the violent route, it is very likely things would not have changed and we would not know about him today, and if we did it would be because he would either be known as a terrorist, just like everyone else who tries to use fear to scare their opponents into submitting, or because he would have started a war.
When have you ever gotten your way from thowing a fit? I'm guessing not very often after you reached age 3. By using this tactic, you're the aggressor, which is not a good thing to be.
However, if you got a majority of the parents to petition the school, things would change almost everytime.
ok petitioning has the odds of 1-10 because the schools will not change unless they are forced to so anything short of a class action lawsuit is a plain waste.
Have we as humans lost all sense of common sense all together or are we just total fascists rules maybe rules but he's 4 he will normally be distracted, he has the attention span of a rodent. Now if there was a uniform policy then I could understand that, but it's a public school with no uniform policy just a overly strict dress code.
When I was in high school most of my infractions were for insubordination so I know how fast the schools can over react to people with spines that rebel against them.
The kid's parents should read the teenage liberation handbook, it's a really informative book that could help their son before it's too late.
When I was in high school most of my infractions were for insubordination so I know how fast the schools can over react to people with spines that rebel against them.
The kid's parents should read the teenage liberation handbook, it's a really informative book that could help their son before it's too late.
